Are Republicans still a National Party?

[Frieza_Prexus]

You're probably right. If I get time later to come up with something better I'll likely ninja edit it in.

[Scientologist]

Can we please outlaw political parties yet?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Do you all really think that the RNC has lost support due to their social stances? From my experience, Blacks and Hispanics generally sit on the right side of the social curve. Their views more align with those of Republicans than those of Democrats, socially. That doesn't stop them from supporting Democrats more.

This last voting cycle was as much about class warfare as it was about anything else. Minorities tend to be on one end of the wealth curve. Democrats promised to flatten that curve, meaning those minorities would see themselves move up if they voted Democrat. Republicans only promise that they would make sure the minorities could get themselves up (which the Democrats smartly latched on to, as well). So...the Dems get the poor vote, which means they get much of the minority vote.

Social issues are much more polarizing than fiscal issues, and moving to the center tends to lose you more support than it gains you. Obama did a great job of it "I'm pro-life in my personal life, but I vote pro-choice!" That really only sells to people that don't care one way or the other. Those that care aren't going to concede "I'm staunchly pro-life and I'll never vote for a pro-choice candidate, but Obama said he's pro-life he just votes pro-choice. That's good enough for me!" Ain't gonna happen.

Republicans have a solid following on social issues. They didn't lose there. They lost because they were fiscally fucked up. Lower taxes and spend spend spend. Fiscal conservatives want less spending, less programs, less impediments. Lower spending, balance budgets, run the government the way a lot of us have to run our businesses. If Republicans ran on that solidly and acted that way once in office, they'd have more than enough support.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

Do you all really think that the RNC has lost support due to their social stances? From my experience, Blacks and Hispanics generally sit on the right side of the social curve. Their views more align with those of Republicans than those of Democrats, socially. That doesn't stop them from supporting Democrats more.

This last voting cycle was as much about class warfare as it was about anything else. Minorities tend to be on one end of the wealth curve. Democrats promised to flatten that curve, meaning those minorities would see themselves move up if they voted Democrat. Republicans only promise that they would make sure the minorities could get themselves up (which the Democrats smartly latched on to, as well). So...the Dems get the poor vote, which means they get much of the minority vote.

Social issues are much more polarizing than fiscal issues, and moving to the center tends to lose you more support than it gains you. Obama did a great job of it "I'm pro-life in my personal life, but I vote pro-choice!" That really only sells to people that don't care one way or the other. Those that care aren't going to concede "I'm staunchly pro-life and I'll never vote for a pro-choice candidate, but Obama said he's pro-life he just votes pro-choice. That's good enough for me!" Ain't gonna happen.

Republicans have a solid following on social issues. They didn't lose there. They lost because they were fiscally fucked up. Lower taxes and spend spend spend. Fiscal conservatives want less spending, less programs, less impediments. Lower spending, balance budgets, run the government the way a lot of us have to run our businesses. If Republicans ran on that solidly and acted that way once in office, they'd have more than enough support.

The problem is that you and all Republicans think that those issues are not common sense issues that everyone, including Democrats agree with. Who the hell wants to pay more taxes? Who the hell wants gay marriage? Who the hell wants more government entitlement programs? Who the hell wants more government spending in general? Who the hell wants to take aways people's guns or right to religion?

Not only do Republicans use some bullshit common sense stances for their platform, that but they use racist techniques to try to polarize the electorate to their side. The Southern Strategy is alive and well in the Republican party.

As homework take your so called party platform issues and think if anyone would be on the other side of those issues outside of the abortion debate.

[Tristinn]

The Republicans lost all support because they destroyed the fucking country, dumbass.

[Convo]

I see blacks moving more towards the right if the democrats keep going in the direction they are. Like other people have said. Voters are just uninformed. Seems like most of the people screaming for changes like Gay marriage and legalizing drugs are people on the left. Those issues collide with the majority of black people in this country. I am with George Washington, parties are bad.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

The problem is that you and all Republicans think that those issues are not common sense issues that everyone, including Democrats agree with. Who the hell wants to pay more taxes? Who the hell wants gay marriage? Who the hell wants more government entitlement programs? Who the hell wants more government spending in general? Who the hell wants to take aways people's guns or right to religion?

Not only do Republicans use some bullshit common sense stances for their platform, that but they use racist techniques to try to polarize the electorate to their side. The Southern Strategy is alive and well in the Republican party.

As homework take your so called party platform issues and think if anyone would be on the other side of those issues outside of the abortion debate.

Who wants to pay more taxes? Nobody wants to pay any taxes. However, there's a huge portion of this country that is always willing to make other people (usually richer people because "they can afford it") pay more taxes. The other side of this question is "Who wants government to provide more services?" which is followed by "Who wants to pay for those services?" which leads to my first that huge portion I already talked about, which pretty much answers that question.

Who wants gay marriage? Gay people? The inclusion of homosexual relationships in the domain of marriage is an "equality" issue. People who define themselves and others by their relationships and believe that all people should be equal support gay marriage. This includes a lot of people...a majority in many areas. It's such a large group that your question just shows me your blindness.

Who wants more government entitlement programs? Who wants more government spending in general People who think they're entitled to get what other people already have? People who think the government could be formed into something that would make everyone's lives better? This is the same group of people as my answer to the first question, and very much related to the "equality" group of the second question. They don't trust people, in a general sense, and believe the government exists to make people do the right thing. In the case of this question, government exists to facilitate charitable giving by those who wouldn't otherwise give to charity. There are also Robin Hood types in this group that believe the government exists as a check to wealth disparities.

Who the hell wants to take away people's guns or right to religion? Ummm...Democrats and militant atheists? I consider not allowing public school teachers to wear crosses around their necks to be taking away "right to religion", so maybe I'm not the one to answer this question. Actually, I'm wondering, after spending time on this message board, why you even have to ask? Half the people posting here would love to take away guns and see religion wiped out.


As for your cry of racism, I'd like to see some evidence before replying. I'm looking for examples, but can't really find any. The latest versions of Republican Southern Strategy from that Wiki basically consist of Federalist speeches (giving more power to state and local beauracracies) being construed as racist. That was Reagan and Elder Bush.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Tristinn

The Republicans lost all support because they destroyed the fucking country, dumbass.

So why did the democrats lose all support (edit: in congress) in 1994?

[Convo]

Originally Posted by Tristinn

The Republicans lost all support because they destroyed the fucking country, dumbass.

SO the democrats have no blame in the current state of this country?

[Tristinn]

Not nearly enough to even be anywhere near the Republicans.

Guy.. they purposefully do the wrong thing.. all the time. They purposefully put the wrong people in charge of everything. I'm not trying to make sense of it because it doesn't make sense. The entire Republican party doesn't make sense. They are worthless backward morons who do nothing but contribute to the downfall of the country. Btw, they succeeded.

SO the second a raving band of psychopaths break into your house and eat your children, you'll know who to blame.

[Convo]

Originally Posted by Tristinn

Not nearly enough to even be anywhere near the Republicans.

Guy.. they purposefully do the wrong thing.. all the time. They purposefully put the wrong people in charge of everything. I'm not trying to make sense of it because it doesn't make sense. The entire Republican party doesn't make sense. They are worthless backward morons who do nothing but contribute to the downfall of the country. Btw, they succeeded.

SO the second a raving band of psychopaths break into your house and eat your children, you'll know who to blame.

You're not making much sense. There is so much blame to go around for the current status of this country I wouldn't be kind enough to let some of these fucks off the hook by blaming one party. Btw a lot of people like to argue the housing market was tanked b/c of the desire of democrats to get lower income people into upper middle class housing. I am still wating on a real investigation on that mess.

[gn0me]

The Republican party is in a really bad place today. Their only hope is to expunge the crazy religious wingnuts and rebuild their party around fiscal responsibility and Libertarian values.

The crazy religious base within the Republican party and the "culture war" they've been fighting is no longer a valid method of gaining/retaining power. The country is faced with serious problems right now and that sort bullshit will not work outside of the southern/redneck states anytime soon.

[Erronius]

(@ Convo's comment on housing) Well, a lot of people argued that The Bush Whitehouse was to blame for that one to. I'm not wanting to argue that, it's pretty pointless, I'm just saying. There's lots of blame to be had and the finger-pointing, as per usual, covers almost all the bases available.

As for the Republicans still being a National Party....just LOL. I don't think they are finished by an enormous margin. We are going to have at least 4 years, and possibly 8, with a Democratic president, and I can guarantee 1 thing:

Conservatives accross America are going to find something to foment over...just as many Liberals have under Bush. People will become disillusioned when things aren't all rainbows and unicorns...just like people did under Bush. And you DAMN well know that the Republicans will jump all over that shit and capitalize on it...much in the same way the Democrats have done. Look for the future Republican wunder-candidate, coming to a presidential election near you.

The Republicans are nowhere near finished, they'll just have to regroup and strike when the Democrats are weak.

[gn0me]

Originally Posted by Convo

Btw a lot of people like to argue the housing market was tanked b/c of the desire of democrats to get lower income people into upper middle class housing. I am still wating on a real investigation on that mess.

This is Rush Limbaugh's canned response to the financial mess. Don't bother looking at the massive deregulation of financial institutions this past decade or the fact that out of control banks were taking any and all mortgages and stuffing them into bad securities to pass onto unwitting investors just to stay in competition with each other. No, it couldn't be the free market banks and Wall Street geniuses that screwed us all.

Blame the Democrats, they must be at fault somehow. Clearly it was Barney Fag that destroyed our financial system.

[Convo]

Originally Posted by gn0me

This is Rush Limbaugh's canned response to the financial mess. Don't bother looking at the massive deregulation of financial institutions this past decade or the fact that out of control banks were taking any and all mortgages and stuffing them into bad securities to pass onto unwitting investors just to stay in competition with each other. No, it couldn't be the free market banks and Wall Street geniuses that screwed us all.

Blame the Democrats, they must be at fault somehow. Clearly it was Barney Fag that destroyed our financial system.

Well he did reside over it. Trying to tell me he didn't know people were taking on more than they could afford? Like I said tho...I want a real investigation before I start really pointing fingers. To think a party is without blame is ridiculous. See I don't give a fuck about the gotcha side game. I just want all the fuckups exposed regardless of the party they are in.