Are Republicans still a National Party?

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Sariden

You're the perfect example of what I was saying. You're right because you think you're right, conflicting information be damned. Even if you go by Screemfeeder's data (which seems like a better idea ), it indicates Utah and Missouri have reasonably high average IQ scores.

So now "reasonably high" means middle of the pack? Stop waffling.

Context clues sir, please note that each statement related to different sets of data, from different time periods. With the wiki article being used to respond to Zora, and the second set (which I'm perfectly willing to say may not be the best ) used to illustrate a point.

So you're admitting that you used data to support individual points that did not even match up with each other. Your data contradicted itself.

Well, the discussion was about intelligence, not Bachelor's degrees. If you want to argue that education and intelligence are one and the same, thats another discussion entirely.

I don't see how me using Bachelors Degrees is any less pertinent than you use of SAT/ACT scores in place of IQ.

All in all, thanks for the response, you're like your own little Glenn Beck, and you help my argument.

If I'm infuriating you as much as Glen Beck infuriates the Left then I'll take that as a compliment.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Sariden

So what can we take away from this? Well, the dumbest states are those in the deep south and those in the north east... Just about as bi-polarly liberal vs conservative as it gets.

Southerners are dumb shits. I don't care what you little links say but no one can tell me that Mississipi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia don't have the stupidest fuckers in the world.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

Asians don't count.

Of the 81 listed #36 is the lowest "cold weather" country. And look at the rest of the top 10.. all nordic countries.

Um. Most people wouldn't call Italy a 'Nordic country'

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Perhaps that's because of underlying economic and development issues that have very little to do with climate or geographic location? Every "colder climate" country is a highly developed advanced economy (Russia somewhat included), and has been for at least half a century or more.

might be a chicken and egg argument. Guns Germs and Steel notwithstanding.

[Sariden]

Originally Posted by Heylel Teomim

I didn't call you stupid, I called you petulant. The minute a Republican steps forward who actually wants to talk about a real issue and not just rave like a lunatic, I'll start listening to one again. Right now too many of your side are still upset about losing the big game.

You said conservative, not Republican. In the sense of whats going on right now in the Republican party, I would agree with you that they and much of their leadership are acting like children.

Belief in balanced budgets, responsible taxation and limited government are *not* inherently conservative. They're stupid arguments, because you're not going to find anyone who's against these things. It's like asking if someone is for or against fluffy kittens.

They're not stupid when you ask yourself if someone is for them in practice or simply in principle. Massive deficit spending for years upon years, while refusing to balance the budget, or using accounting tricks to claim that you have is not the same as actually doing it.

Sure, if you ask anyone if they think we should balance the budget they'll probably say yes, if you start telling them what that will entail (tax increases, sacrifices, etc..) then a good number start changing their mind. So, its not simply a 'do you like shit' question, its a decision template that you apply to people who want your vote.

It's about what government responsibility means. I don't know how many times i can make this point before you people understand. What you call responsible taxation, a Democrat might call an insufficient response, and Ron Paul might call excessive. You're all in favor of responsible taxation, you're just arguing the details.

No, here again I disagree. In my opinion, responsibility means that the government runs a balanced budget and executes the will of the people. I think its irresponsible for Republicans to cut taxes without cutting spending to go along with it, just as much as I think its irresponsible for Democrats to increase government services and spending while at the same time trying to hide the financial details or claiming they wont' raise taxes.

You're right though, no single party can exclusively change that 'balancing the budget' is their purview. Before Obama I think I'd argue that the Democrats did a better job of keeping spending in line. Regardless, I consider the act of putting your responsibility to account for your expenses before you start spending, to be a conservative trait.

Note: NOT A REPUBLICAN TRAIT

[Sariden]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Southerners are dumb shits. I don't care what you little links say but no one can tell me that Mississipi, Alabama, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia, South Carolina, and Georgia don't have the stupidest fuckers in the world.

Thats what the little links say.

[AladainAF]

They're stupid arguments, because you're not going to find anyone who's against these things.

This is the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards in awhile.

[Sariden]

Originally Posted by brekk

So now "reasonably high" means middle of the pack? Stop waffling.

According to the data I had from the set I was using, Utah was 9th. I don't particularly care who is first, what I was interested in was IQ vs political persuasion. You decided that Utah and Missouri couldn't possibly be high on the intelligence list, regardless of data showing otherwise.

So you're admitting that you used data to support individual points that did not even match up with each other. Your data contradicted itself.

No, it didn't. Zora's question was about 'average american IQ'. For this, the wiki article was pertinent.

The second set of data, which I linked and explained before hand, would never have given the impression that it was related to the wiki data if you had bothered to read (you would have noticed the 1998 and 2000 labels... ).

I don't see how me using Bachelors Degrees is any less pertinent than you use of SAT/ACT scores in place of IQ.

If thats what I had done, I might agree with you, but it is not. There is a column on the SAT/ACT listing which gives the estimated IQ for the state.

TABLE ENTRY--> Estimated IQ of all *
* --> Estimated IQ for all citizens of a state is normally set 10 points less than the IQ of SAT test takers, to make a national average of 100 IQ. This difference is proportionally reduced when over 60% of high school grads take the SAT. The overall results also fit better with 4th grade test results.

Now, if you want to dispute the actual data, fine. I don't know if its the best, but its what I found and what I used. If you can find something more reliable for IQ in 1999/2000 I'd be happy to go with whatever it says.

If I'm infuriating you as much as Glen Beck infuriates the Left then I'll take that as a compliment.

Beck doesn't infuriate me, he makes me laugh, and if he really believes the BS he churns out, then I pity him. It does however, make me sad that so many people buy into his poorly thought out tantrums.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by Sariden

According to the data I had from the set I was using, Utah was 9th. I don't particularly care who is first, what I was interested in was IQ vs political persuasion. You decided that Utah and Missouri couldn't possibly be high on the intelligence list, regardless of data showing otherwise.

No, I knew they weren't top intelligence states because I've seen IQ lists before. I then showed how crappy your data was. Others and myself have then shown alternate sets of data that all happen to match eachother closely and completely debunk the value of your data.

No, it didn't. Zora's question was about 'average american IQ'. For this, the wiki article was pertinent.

The second set of data, which I linked and explained before hand, would never have given the impression that it was related to the wiki data if you had bothered to read (you would have noticed the 1998 and 2000 labels... ).

So you feel alright using two sources of data that are both outdated and don't even support each other...

If thats what I had done, I might agree with you, but it is not. There is a column on the SAT/ACT listing which gives the estimated IQ for the state.

TABLE ENTRY--> Estimated IQ of all *
* --> Estimated IQ for all citizens of a state is normally set 10 points less than the IQ of SAT test takers, to make a national average of 100 IQ. This difference is proportionally reduced when over 60% of high school grads take the SAT. The overall results also fit better with 4th grade test results.

Now, if you want to dispute the actual data, fine. I don't know if its the best, but its what I found and what I used. If you can find something more reliable for IQ in 1999/2000 I'd be happy to go with whatever it says.

And the data you posted was basing its IQ values off of the SAT scores. Which are were bloated by the laughably low percentage of the high school population that actually took it in those states.

I don't know if its the best, but its what I found and what I used.

It's not, I've already shown why it's not.


edit: I can keep doing this all day. You're data was crap, you're argument was crap, I made one simple statement mostly to get a rise out of you, and you continue to try to defend the crap you posted. GTFO

[Dokomo]

Glenn Beck thinks John Rockefeller was a secret Communist.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Republicans say Obama's back to school speech is to indoctrinate their kids so they are not sending them to school that day.

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At this point I no longer consider Republicans a Political party. They are simply a collection of insane fuckers.

[Heylel Teomim]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

This is the most idiotic thing I've read on these boards in awhile.

I wish I could hold that record, but you and Astrocreep keep us in the funny well enough.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Dokomo

Glenn Beck thinks John Rockefeller was a secret Communist.

Everyone knows NBC is the spawn of the Devil. This drawing was on a NBC building therefore the Devil is a Socialist.

[Arbiter]

Time for an update,..

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[CnCGOD]

Originally Posted by Neferata

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Read the comments made in response to that letter to the editor and then tell me if you think the people of Utah are intelligent. Hell read the comments made in response to any of the letters on that site. I understand that letters to the editor are generally pretty ridiculous, but holy shit.

The fact is, the people who believe this ridiculous shit and who make all these zany claims and compare Obama to Hitler aren't just some fringe wing. The average Republican actually believes a lot of this stuff, and it's absolutely mind boggling(bottling?!). I'm mired in it here, and every day I lose a little more faith in humanity.

There's no solution to this kind of stupid. It leaves me at a loss for words. A huge portion of the country is just broken in the head and cannot ever be fixed. They're honestly not even really people at this point and it's really pretty depressing.

Read the responses on CNN to the poll on Obama's approval being < 50%. You see just as much rank stupidity. I made the mistake of weighing in on a straw man argument and I guess its very much human nature to feel superior to those who disagree with you (You can see that rampantly in this thread). Trying to say that either party is "smarter" than the other is fucking stupid and immature as I would take a guess the median is very very similar so lets stop this derail and get back to the issues without pointing out that both sides have crazy retards on them.