Are Republicans still a National Party?

[Lonin]

Originally Posted by Heylel Teomim

I know right? Imagine if a left winger had said something like that to *anyone* in journalism, anyone at all. Never mind a major news source with million+ viewer numbers nightly, it could have been college radio and someone would have been crucified.

edit: For those too lazy to click the link, it's an interview with Michael Scheuer, the guy who was supposed to be hunting down Osama bin Laden under the last two Presidents. Now he's saying that our country's only hope is for Osama to detonate a major weapon in the U.S. to make us more unified and aggressive. He's actually *encouraging* terrorism, literally by saying it's our only hope.

For easier access:



Some nice quotes:
Beck: "Most dangerous place in the world is the U.S.-Mexico border." Made up facts on Fox? Shocker.
Scheuer: "They send our soldiers into harms' way, and they're targets, not killers. It's an extraordinary waste of human lives, but of course the Democrats specialize in that." Wat?
Beck: "Obama, I mean Osama." Really? Really?

I'm sure there's more great ones in that clip.

[Snugglebear]

Todd S. Purdum on Sarah Palin | vanityfair.com

There's the Vanity Fair article, though I'm usually suspicious of articles where the target of the expose is diagnosed with a narcissistic personality disorder by anonymous independent amateurs. Come on, these are politicians we are talking about, most of them have an inflated opinion of themselves to begin with.

More than once in my travels in Alaska, people brought up, without prompting, the question of Palin’s extravagant self-regard. Several told me, independently of one another, that they had consulted the definition of “narcissistic personality disorder” in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders—“a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy”—and thought it fit her perfectly. When Trig was born, Palin wrote an e-mail letter to friends and relatives, describing the belated news of her pregnancy and detailing Trig’s condition; she wrote the e-mail not in her own name but in God’s, and signed it “Trig’s Creator, Your Heavenly Father.”

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by Lonin

Some nice quotes:
Beck: "Most dangerous place in the world is the U.S.-Mexico border." Made up facts on Fox? Shocker.
Scheuer: "They send our soldiers into harms' way, and they're targets, not killers. It's an extraordinary waste of human lives, but of course the Democrats specialize in that." Wat?
Beck: "Obama, I mean Osama." Really? Really?

I'm sure there's more great ones in that clip.

The entire interview is a chapter of quotes. If you "space out" after the first few one-liners you will miss them. I caught myself zoning out because of their boring agenda and speedy delivery due to time constraints, so I had to watch it a few times before I milked it for every line.

I have a hard time believing Scheuer takes himself seriously when he goes home at night. Looks like a book selling troll trying to make some retirement $$$.

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by Lonin

Seriously...what the fuck?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Obama is throwing the Republicans a very slow and straight fastball with this whole Healthcare stuff. There are more holes in Obama's plan than the Titanic and they can not take advantage of it because they are so dysfunctional talking about stupid shit, birth certificates, being racist, yelling "Socialism" and "Marxism" and tea bagging.

Republicans should grow up, turn off talk radio, turn off Fox News, throw Sarah Palin under the bus, act like adults and seize the moment against healthcare and it would mean a major comeback. If they can not defeat this healthcare plan they do not deserve to even be a major political party. Mitt Romney should grow some balls enough to stop his Obama bashing and talk healthcare and the economy. He still may not be able to win in 2012 but he might win in 2016. You stupid fucking Republicans do not understand that bashing Obama who is possibly the most popular person ever to live is a stupid tactic. Attack healthcare and you can win you stupid pieces of shit.

This healthcare plan is more of a target than Iraq was for the Democrats. The Democrats took advantage of the situation. Will the Republicans? I doubt it. They are too busy making Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdock rich bashing Obama. That will not work.

[Juvarisx]

Hoping for more killing of innocent civilians.

Bravo Fox News Bravo, I didn't think it was possible to sink any lower but as usual you never cease to amaze anyone.

There needs to be a line drawn somewhere this is getting out of hand

[Etoille]

Has anyone heard about this Palin challenging Obama to race (an actual footrace)?

Is this seriously what she thinks she needs to do between now and 2012?

Instead of going back to AK and studying, polishing herself she just doesn't fucking stop. Its mind boggling.

[CyrusReij]

Originally Posted by Etoille

Has anyone heard about this Palin challenging Obama to race (an actual footrace)?

Is this seriously what she thinks she needs to do between now and 2012?

Instead of going back to AK and studying, polishing herself she just doesn't fucking stop. Its mind boggling.

Completely OT but I find a middle aged white women challenging a relatively in-shape black man to a foot race amusing.

[egoslicer]

The best part about the Vanity Fair article is the feud it reignited, spoilered below.

Sarah Palin story sparks Republican family feud - Jonathan Martin - POLITICO.com

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Sarah Palin story sparks Republican family feud

By JONATHAN MARTIN | 6/30/09 9:06 PM EDT

A hard-hitting piece on Sarah Palin in the new Vanity Fair has touched off a blistering exchange of insults among high-profile Republicans over last year’s GOP ticket – tearing open fresh wounds about leaks surrounding Palin and revealing for the first time some of the internal wars that paralyzed the campaign in its final days.


Rival factions close to the McCain campaign have been feuding since last fall over Palin, usually waging the battle in the shadows with anonymous quotes. Now, however, some of the most well-known names in Republican politics are going on-the-record with personal attacks and blame-casting.


William Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard and at times an informal adviser to Sen. John McCain, touched off the latest back-and-forth Tuesday morning with a post on his magazine’s blog criticizing the Todd Purdum-authored Palin story and pointing a finger at Steve Schmidt, McCain’s campaign manager.

Kristol cited a passage in Purdum’s piece in which “some top aides” were said to worry about the Alaska governor’s “mental state” and the prospect that the Alaska governor may be suffering from post-partum depression following the birth of her son Trig. “In fact, one aide who raised this possibility in the course of trashing Palin’s mental state to others in the McCain-Palin campaign was Steve Schmidt,” Kristol wrote.


Asked about the accusation, Schmidt fired back in an e-mail: “I'm sure John McCain would be president today if only Bill Kristol had been in charge of the campaign.”


“After all, his management of [former Vice President] Dan Quayle’s public image as his chief of staff is still something that takes your breath away,” Schmidt continued. “His attack on me is categorically false.”

Asked directly in a telephone interview if he brought up the prospect of Palin suffering from post-partum depression, Schmidt said: “His allegation that I was defaming Palin by alleging post-partum depression at the campaign headquarters is categorically untrue. In fact, I think it rises to the level of a slander because it’s about the worst thing you can say about somebody who does what I do for a living.”

But Kristol’s charge was seconded by Randy Scheunemann, a longtime foreign policy adviser to McCain who is also close to the Standard editor and was thought to be a Palin ally within the campaign.


“Steve Schmidt has a congenital aversion to the truth,” Scheunemann said. “On two separate and distinct occasions, he speculated about about Governor Palin having post-partum depression, and on the second he threatened that if more negative publicity about the handling of Governor Palin emerged that he would leak his speculation [about post-partum depression] to the press. It was like meeting Tony Soprano.”


Schmidt said Scheunemann’s charges were “categorically untrue.”


“It is inappropriate for me to discuss personnel issues from the campaign,” Schmidt continued. “But suffice it to say Randy is saying these things not because they’re true but because he wants to damage my reputation because of consequences he faced for actions he took.”


Schmidt is alluding, without saying so directly, to the stories that emerged after the campaign that Scheunemann had been fired.


Scheunemann said Schmidt did try to fire him but added: “I’ve got a paystub through November 15th.”


The questions about Scheunemann being terminated are central to the larger battle about who was trashing Palin, something that quickly came to the surface in the back and forth between Schmidt and Kristol on Tuesday.


The vitriol also suggests the degree to which Palin remains a Rorschach test not simply to Republicans nationally but within a tight circle of elite operatives and commentators, many of whom seem ready to carry their arguments in 2012. Was Palin a fresh talent whose debut was mishandled by self-serving campaign insiders, or an eccentric “diva” who had no business on the national stage? Going forward, does she offer a conservative and charismatic face for a demoralized and star-less party? Or is she a loose cannon who should be consigned to the tabloids where she can reside in perpetuity with other flash-in-the-pan sensations?

Schmidt, who has returned to his California-based political and public affairs consulting business, said that he “worked incredibly hard during the campaign to defend Sarah Palin and her family against a lot of attacks that I thought then and think today were very unfair.”


And he got in a dig at Kristol, who frequently offered unvarnished assessments of McCain’s campaign from his perch at the Standard, on Fox News, where he is a contributor, and in his then-New York Times column.

“Bill Kristol, going back to the time of the campaign, has taken a lot of cheap shots at the campaign without ever offering a plausible path to victory,” Schmidt said. “He’s in the business of ad hominem insults and criticism.”


Responding to Schmidt’s counterattack, Kristol directly fingered Schmidt: “It’s simply a fact that when the going got tough, Steve Schmidt trashed Sarah Palin, both within the campaign and (on background) to journalists. This was after Steve took credit for the Palin pick when, at first, he thought it made him look good. John McCain deserved better.”


At this, Schmidt unloaded in a lengthy telephone interview, suggesting that Kristol was carrying out a personal vendetta based out of anger over the attempt to fire Scheunemann in the final days of the campaign.


In doing so, Schmidt revealed what has been whispered about for months following the campaign: that he and another top aide had ordered a leak hunt in the campaign’s internal e-mail system.


“What this is about is a personal issue that happened late in the campaign relating to a close, personal friend of Bill Kristol and people at The Weekly Standard,” Schmidt said, refusing to use Scheunemann’s name.


“At the end of the campaign there were a series of leaks that were so damaging that it was consuming the 24-hour cable news cycle. Leaks to reporters where Sarah Palin was called all manner of names. [McCain senior adviser] Rick Davis and I jointly felt that was outrageous. So we made an attempt for the first time in the campaign to try to ID who was leaking information that was so damaging and demoralizing to a campaign that was in very difficult circumstances,” Schmidt said, noting that an IT professional executed a system-wide search by keyword.


“What was discovered was an e-mail from a very senior staff member to Bill Kristol that then entered into the news current and continued the negative in-fighting stories for an additional news cycles. I recommended tough medicine for that individual that was carried out,” Schmidt said, again referring to Scheunemann. “Bill Kristol might not have liked that decision, and he might be mad about what happened to his friend, but going all the way back he has been a part of this story and I’ve preserved his confidentiality in that until now. But his use of his public forums to take a personal fight and make character attacks is just simply dishonest and wrong.”

Scheunemann, confirming that his e-mail had been searched, accused Schmidt of “acting in a manner of Iranian secret police” in going to his account.


The foreign policy hand said what was discovered was a message from Kristol inquiring who was the source in the campaign of the “diva” leak, the now-famous complaint from a senior McCain campaign official to CNN’s Dana Bash that Palin was acting like a spoiled and selfish celebrity.


Schmidt suggested that Scheunemann had fingered Nicolle Wallace, a senior McCain adviser who helped work with Palin, to Kristol in the message.


“It led to a whole another round of speculation, including Fred Barnes the next night attacking Nicolle Wallace on the air,” Schmidt said, suggesting without saying directly that was why an effort was made to terminate Scheunemann. Barnes, another Weekly Standard editor and Fox News contributor, accused Wallace on Fox News in late October of being “a coward” for running up tens of thousands of dollars in high-end clothes for Palin and then letting the governor take the blame for the purchases. After Wallace denied she had purchased the clothes, Barnes apologized on the air the following night.


But Scheunemann said the clothes controversy was an entirely separate issue and one which he made no mention of in his e-mail to Kristol.

Asked directly if he accused Nicolle Wallace of being the source behind the “diva” leak in his message to Kristol, Scheunemann said: “My e-mail did not accuse Nicolle Wallace. It said something very disparaging about Nicolle but it did not accuse her of being the leak.”


A source familiar with the contents of the e-mail said that Scheunemann actually accused Nicolle Wallace’s husband, Mark Wallace, of being the source of the leak.

When Kristol questioned the likelihood of a male like Mark Wallace using such a gossipy term as diva, this source said, Scheunemann wrote back that Mark Wallace knows something about divas because he’s married to a diva.


Asked about the e-mail, Nicolle Wallace said: “I did not have any knowledge of this. This is all news to me.”

As for being called a “diva,” Wallace laughed for a few seconds.


“I don’t have anything to say on that,” she said.


Mark Wallace, taking the phone from his wife, also laughed about the diva accusation but wouldn’t respond when asked whether he had been the source of the “diva” leak. He explained that he had followed a "zero talk policy with the press" regarding the campaign and wanted to honor that.


But, after an early version of this story was posted on-line, he made an exception and offered a flat denial: "No, never. I don't think Sarah Palin is a diva."

The leak-hunting, Scheunemann said, began after POLITICO’s Ben Smith wrote a story in late October suggesting that Palin had ”gone rogue” and began ignoring the advice of her campaign handlers.


“So after that, they went nuclear with ‘diva’ the next day,” Scheunemann said, referring to the Palin-bashing done to CNN’s Bash the day after the POLITICO story. “But did anybody search Mark or Nicolle Wallace’s e-mails for leaks to Dana Bash?”


Schmidt said Kristol was driven by a personal vendetta over the attempted termination of his decades-long friend, Scheunemann.


“Nonsense,” Kristol replied. “My post today was (self-evidently) triggered by the Todd Purdum article that appeared today, which had Schmidt’s fingerprints all over it. I hadn’t thought about Schmidt in months, and will be happy now to return to more pressing issues, like the presidency of Barack Obama.”


As for the charges of being a sunshine soldier with regard to Palin, Schmidt said: “Nonsense. I’m a team player. That’s a reflection of [Kristol’s] values. He’s the Washington, D.C., talking head and glitterati. I live in Northern California and I really don’t give a s--- about that stuff.”


The nasty back-and-forth between the two well-known Republicans and re-litigating of internal backbiting underscores the degree to which the internecine and very personal battle over last fall’s ticket between those seen as Palin allies and Palin detractors still rages on nearly six months into President Obama’s term.


And it comes as Palin struggles to find her footing, at times appearing to want to take a strictly Alaska-first approach, but then re-emerging on the national stage – something chronicled in the nearly 10,000-word Vanity Fair article.


Loyalists to Palin, including Kristol, were outraged at Purdum’s piece, believing it to be another example of what they see as elite media contempt for the Wasilla native.


In his post, Kristol also criticized Purdum for writing that several Alaskans had told him during the reporting of the piece that they had checked the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders definition of “narcissistic personality disorder” and found it fit their governor.


“Is there any real chance that ‘several’ Alaskans independently told Purdum that they had consulted the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders?” Kristol wrote. “I don’t believe it for a moment. I’ve (for better or worse) moved in pretty well-educated circles in my life, and I’ve gone decades without ‘several’ people telling me they had consulted the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.”


In response, Purdum, a Princeton graduate, wrote of his Harvard-degreed critic: “I'm not nearly as well-educated as Bill, but the great Irving Berlin taught me that ‘you don't have to go to a private school not to pick up a penny near a stubborn mule.’ In the age of Google, I'm confident that plenty of Alaskans know more about finding medical reference works – and all sorts of other knowledge – than Bill thinks they do.”

[Heylel Teomim]

I've said it before, but it's still a good idea. Politicians should settle their differences by the laws of kanly. Poisoned knives, bitches.

Whoever wins, so does the public.

[chaos]

Bill Kristol is SUCH A FAGGOT. His criticisms are transparent, his logic faulty, his strategies during the campaign were HORSE SHIT. The man has no plan for the conservative movement, he is a fucking douchebag. Why in the world do people listen to him?

Schmidt was pretty blind during the whole campaign too, but at least he was trying something. Kristol doesn't even have the balls to do that. He sits on the sidelines of other people's campaigns and spews bullshit.

He honestly believes that Obama is President now because the McCain campaign tried too hard to control Palin and didn't just let her do her thing. The man is a goddamn functional retarded person. Fuck his Harvard degree, apparently it isn't doing him much good. Christ.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by CyrusReij

Completely OT but I find a middle aged white women challenging a relatively in-shape black man to a foot race amusing.

Palin looks pretty good in this article.

Photos of Sarah Palin from RunnersWorld.com

Now I understand why Republicans like her so much. They just want to fuck her. She should do a Playboy spread.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by chaos

He honestly believes that Obama is President now because the McCain campaign tried too hard to control Palin and didn't just let her do her thing. The man is a goddamn functional retarded person. Fuck his Harvard degree, apparently it isn't doing him much good. Christ.

No Republican would have won after Bush43. If they had dug up Ronald Reagan himself he could not have beat the worse Democrat in the field; not even John Edwards (after the affair). Not only was Bush43 the worse President in the history of the country but he was not really elected in 2000. 2008 was payback for the Republicans stealing an election in 2000.

[TheCutlery]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Palin looks pretty good in this article.

I ain't gonna lie, I'd fuck her. But I definitely don't want her running anything remotely important, and realizing the distinction is important.

[Araxen]

I'd fuck her, but I wouldn't want have to do anything with her afterwards. Of course you'll have to change your phone numbers/email afterwards because I'm sure she would be annoying as fuck after the deed is done.