Has Evolution Been Proven to be True ?

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Originally Posted by The Edge

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[Lumie]

Not a single thing within the Bible suggests it's any form of control so how you draw such a conclusion is beyond me, especially when it specifically warns of people who seek to control you and how to tell the difference. Sure the Bible was written by men, but it was written by men empowered with the holy spirit which enabled them to do extraordinary things. God is capable of anything and I am very certain that he made sure all Bible translations would be interpretted correctly.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language…. Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? …Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?" Acts 2:6-12

Through it's power they were able to speak languages previously unknown to them as if they spoke them their whole life, instantaneously. The men responsible for the Bible were empowered by God.

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Anyone else find it ironic how Lumie cannot seem to trust that powers that be and simultaneously trust the men who wrote/edited the bible?

[Lumie]

One is guided by God(truth & light) and the other is guided by Satan(lies & darkness), so no, that's not ironic

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Originally Posted by Lumie

One is guided by God(truth & light) and the other is guided by Satan(LIES & darkness)

And you're the only one who can see through lies? How do you know the bible hasn't been edited to mislead and... lie to you? I can't wrap my head around how you think.

[Lumie]

And you're the only one who can see through lies?

I'm not the only one but I am one of few who can in fact do this.

How do you know the bible hasn't been edited to mislead and... lie to you? I can't wrap my head around how you think.

I've read in extreme detail, both sides of the story. Only one can be telling the truth. Most people who talk ill of the Bible most likely have not even read it and are only going by what they've heard others say about it. I was like this at one point and then I decided to actually read the Bible and found a must different picture being painted then the one I had previously thought.

If you've never bothered to read the Bible and speak evils about it then God has placed a curse upon you for your blatant ignorance and the only way to undo it is to read the Bible and honestly try to learn from it and understand it.

“Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are savage wolves. 16You will know them by their fruit. Grapes aren't gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles, are they? 17In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, but a rotten tree produces bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a rotten tree cannot produce good fruit. 19Every tree that doesn’t produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into a fire. 20So by their fruit you will know them.”

It's very easy to tell by the wisdom found within the Bible that it's the truth because it all makes a great deal of sense.

[psu199]

God is capable of anything and I am very certain that he made sure all Bible translations would be interpretted correctly.

How does one justify the hundreds of different Judeo/Christian interpretations then? They don't all blend together in some sort of harmonic picture; they tend to differ on key points (divinity of Jesus, Holy Trinity, Transubstantiation, etc...).

I mean how many copies of the Bible are there out there? You don't think some of the writers/translators/scribes who took down this stuff differed a little in the way they read the text and rewrote it? You offer proof for the infallibility of the document by quoting the document itself. Doesn't that strike you as somewhat odd?

Apply that reasoning to any other argument?

Oh what John Doe says is never wrong because as you can see in this book that John Doe wrote: "I'm never wrong, and anyone who tells you so is a fucking moron."

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Originally Posted by Lumie

I've read in extreme detail, both sides of the story. Only one can be telling the truth. Most people who talk ill of the Bible most likely have not even read it and are only going by what they've heard others say about it. I was like this at one point and then I decided to actually read the Bible and found a must different picture being painted then the one I had previously thought.

Reading them both in extreme detail requires a great deal of maturity and wading through so many ideas.

If you've never bothered to read the Bible and speak evils about it then God has placed a curse upon you for your blatant ignorance

Being cursed by God because of the choices I've made is pretty much contradictory to the concept of free will.

Ignorance and blind faith in Jesus is what is required to get into heaven. It doesn't matter how much you know. Knowledge is what strays you from faith, actually. The moment you think you know something, is the moment you stop learning.

Jesus asks us to be as children. Children are always learning, optimistic, and free spirited. Ignorance is bliss. By "learning" everything you can about the subjects, means you don't have faith. You've made a choice based on the knowledge you've derived from the two.

I still believe to some extent, regardless of what I'm told through my senses, actions of delusional zealots, and of knowledge gained from an irrelevant world. Not because I've "read" everything required, because I have faith. Everything points to this faith as irrational and I can't seem to care.

[Lumie]

Reading them both in extreme detail requires a great deal of maturity and wading through so many ideas.

Yep. Not sure what your point is exactly though.

Being cursed by God because of the choices I've made is pretty much contradictory to the concept of free will.

We are creatures of habit, therefor the choices you've made at one moment can lead to permanent choices. Like a smoker, they made the choice to start and every day they continue to do so, the more difficult the choice will be to quit. When I say God placed a curse on you, I don't mean directly. More like you've placed a curse upon yourself, only it's facilitated through God by our habitual nature.

Ignorance is bliss. By "learning" everything you can about the subjects, means you don't have faith.

Ignorance is false bliss, it's an illusion. Just like the saying "what you don't know can't hurt you". Not only can ignorance hurt you but it will hurt you. As for learning meaning you don't have faith.....huh? How is that possible? If you have faith in Jesus then you'll want to learn all you can from him and if in fact, wanting to learn more about God shows that you do have faith.

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Originally Posted by Lumie

Yep. Not sure what your point is exactly though.

Haha. You're not so great at basic idea comprehension, so I'm betting you handle cryptic words much worse (like those in the bible).

maturity and wading through so many ideas

faith in Jesus... be as children

Those are connected.

Children aren't mature, nor really care to try.

Going off to weigh other ideas against the teachings of Jesus isn't faith. If you had real faith, you would've stopped searching for something better after you found Jesus and realized it doesn't matter what other people think (just as you in, "wading through so many ideas").

You want the world to be polarized into evil and good. That everything is either false or true. The world isn't fill with people who are either "bad" or "good". I think it's filled with good people who make mistakes or are mislead.

As for learning meaning you don't have faith.....huh? How is that possible? If you have faith in Jesus then you'll want to learn all you can from him and if in fact, wanting to learn more about God shows that you do have faith.

Yes and no.

Learning about God is good (but how can you really learn about God when you're stuck on a message board, lols). Learning about something other than God is bad. (Notice I didn't say, specifically learning about JUST God, I was referring to other things beside God that you had to learn in the process of discovering the other faiths are false.) What you said you did was "I've read in extreme detail, both sides of the story." You made a judgment of what was good AFTER you read "all" sides possible to you (see "evil and good" above). Therefore, your faith doesn't lie in true faith, but in what you define as the better of the two sides you read about.

Also, by "read (other) stories" you connect yourself to secular affairs, which is gaining knowledge of evil things (in your world).

I say this because, I'm guessing, you think all things are evil except God. (If you happen to actually believe the things you say)

Ignorance is false bliss, it's an illusion. Just like the saying "what you don't know can't hurt you". Not only can ignorance hurt you but it will hurt you.

Ignorance from worldly matters is bliss and prefered, thinking you're a true believer of the christian God, it shouldn't matter if you're "hurt" on Earth as long as your faith stays strong

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Okay, I think I'm done for awhile with you Lumie. My intelligence is in serious distress here.

[Designz]

What I don't get is why I would go to hell if I were a good person but didn't believe in Jesus

[Luthair]

Originally Posted by Designz

What I don't get is why I would go to hell if I were a good person but didn't believe in Jesus

How else are priests supposed to get money out of you?

[Dr. Funkenstein]

What I don't get is where it says anyone will go to Hell for not believing in Jesus.

[Lonin]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

What I don't get is where it says anyone will go to Hell for not believing in Jesus.

"But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." -Revelations 21:8