Global cooling

[blizzak]

That pisses me off to no end. If the people who have no doubt we are the cause of global warming are so damn sure, then they need to stop shouting down and blocking opposing views. Politics, cash and science is a really shitty mix. /end rant

[Lenardo]

GLOBAL WARMING is such a topic that the media caught on and now noone hears dissenting voices in the main media.

we could get the worst/coldest couple of years on record and guess what

We would Still be hearing about global warming "dooming us all".


1 solar mass release like what happened ~1870ish and we'd be fucked for a few years.

[Eomer]

Humanity's carbon budget set at one trillion tonnes - environment - 29 April 2009 - New Scientist

Choice quotation:

So how much longer have we got? Don't let past emissions fool you, says Allen. "It took 250 years to burn the first 500 billion tonnes. On current trends we'll burn the next 500 billion in less than 40 years."

[AladainAF]

The missing sunspots: Is this the big chill? - Science, News - The Independent

[Elurin]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

The missing sunspots: Is this the big chill? - Science, News - The Independent

Many scientists believe that the Sun was the major player on the Earth’s climate until the past few decades, when the greenhouse effect from increasing levels of carbon dioxide overwhelmed it.

It's official. Humans are more powerful than the sun.

There's too much money in global warming now. I'm not a global warming denier. I don't really know or care one way or the other. But to think carbon dioxide is the cause of global warming is almost as ridiculous as swine flu wiping out humanity. I think at this point though, there are enough scientists who will say anything for the quick research money. Like Lenardo said above, we could drop 3 degrees average temp for the next 5 years and it'd probably never get any media play.

[Eomer]

I don't really know or care one way or the other. But to think carbon dioxide is the cause of global warming is almost as ridiculous as swine flu wiping out humanity.

On what basis do you declare the ridiculousness?

Aladain's article is certainly interesting. Thing is though, it doesn't deny that GHG's are raising the Earth's temperature. It's saying that the sun right now is at a low point in activity. And it also doesn't say that low point is bound to last for any significant period. What happens when things kick back up again, whether that be in a couple years or a decade or two?

[Lenardo]

eomer several reports i have read said that the little iceage that ended ~1800 took ABOUT 150 years to fully recover temperature wise to the previous average.

several reports i have read have stated that we are still recovering from an iceage and that all current warming trends are natural and the geologically the earth is still cooler than normal

several reports are saying that IF the sun continues it's current activity level (which is currently similar to the lows of 1700 and 1800's) we could see a 2.2 c DROP in mean global temp- is it true- not a freaking clue, but the sun Seems to be entering a quiet period

it Seems until it picks up we cannot say one way or the other, solar cycle 24 STILL has not started almost all sunspots seen in the past year have been solar cycle 23 spots- solar cycle 24 is -currently 2years late...and counting.

some solar scientists are predicting that the current solar cycle is going to be the lowest in living memory (100years) and potentially- again we won't find out until it's OVER- solar cycle 25 will be as low or Lower than 24...and that 26 won't be much better (again we are talking ~20 years or so from now until we find out for sure)

in canada near the us border there is still frost within 2 feet of the surface of the ground- seeds cannot germinate if the ground isn't warmed up. it's almost planting season and right now the ground is cooler than normal- possibly delaying planting season... and canada does not have a very long frost free span (~80-140days depending on where you are in canada)

Hard Red Spring Wheat days to maturity = 94 to 101;
Oats = 92 to 99:
Barley = 86 to 91;
Canola = 94 to 101;
Mustard = 87 to 89;
Flax = 97 to 102;
Sunflower = 114 to 126 Days to Maturity.

a delay of 1-2 weeks to last frost and an early frost by 1-2 weeks could DESTROY a significant amount of wheat crops up in canada.

planting season "starts" in ~2-4 weeks in canada depending on where you are and what you are growing... right now the frost line is significantly higher than normal (by about a foot)

[Eomer]

One late spring doesn't mean the climate has significantly cooled, just like one warm winter doesn't mean it's warmed. Definitely agreed, this has been a shitty spring, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

You keep saying "several reports" yet don't link to them. Are there peer reviewed studies published in respected scientific journals?

[Lenardo]

got me i just read the originals but let me see if i can find a few not really worried one way or the other, i'm not in canada, and until its proven one way or the other i can just live my life the way i want and remain skeptical about global warming. of course my wife would HATE cooling, the woman hates it if the house is 68degrees-its "too cool in here"...

as for the shitty spring-ayup my area has been ~4degrees f cooler than normal all month, until 4 days ago when we had 90degree weather for 3 days and now its back to cooler than normal...

the report i saw about the frost, the guy doing the test has been doing it annually for 20 years. first time he has seen frost this high this late in the year..

[Zaniel]

[Lenardo]

those are funny.


now,....

Year Without Summer? - FOXNews.com

only time will tell

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Update: It's been fucking hot in Ohio since mid-May. We have summer. Carry on.

[Eomer]

Been a pretty brutal winter, spring and summer here so far. But that doesn't mean a damn thing in the grand scale of climate change.

[Lenardo]

exactly

its been a DAMN cold spring in the boston area- for the most part, may was ~1 degree -average- cooler than the average temp for the month historically.
however there were several singular days, that if the highest 2 temp days were excluded would drop even further to ~2.5 degree - if the 2 coldest days were excluded the average would be ~.3 cooler) the 2 coldest days were only 12f and 10f lower than monthly mean. the 2 hottest were ~25f over monthly mean.


the problem is everyone is "humans at fault" humans causing etc. when if you look at the geological recreations of the world's climate, the world has had higher co2 %, lower co2 %, higher temps, lower temps, etc all without MAN causing it(sleestaks maybe?). that is the main problem i have, it isn't that the climate is changing- it will, it ALWAYS will no matter what we do,

there are theories that says that the climate is actually reaching the "norm" for the world and that the current warming trend is just the recovery in temp from the little ice age we had several centuries ago, we have theories that say its going to go up continuously, we have theories that the world's climate changes according to solar output that coincide with the solar sunspot cycle(which it does, to how much Extent is the question, we have theories from nasa that say ~20-30%, we have other theories that have it at ~80%) ... are all right? are all wrong, or are some right, some wrong and ultimately we'll have scientists figure out - without political or activist influence- exactly what is going on.

[Haus]

I lost a lot of faith in the "global warming" movement when I realized that while Al Gore was championing the case, he was also investing heavily and involved in companies poising themselves to make massive cash off the "cap and trade" carbon credits market.

There are more scientists who have officially come out and voiced concerns about global warming theories than there are actual scientists who have put their names on papers supporting it. The difference is it's become a politicized cause and is now being driven by people with political agendas.

The fact is we have one big spate of volcanic activity and the amount of CO2 and Sulfur released into the atmosphere will dwarf what humans are doing. I believe that the degree to which humans are affecting the trends in the environment is two things:

a) Dicking around in the margins while the major players are still solar and geological occurances
b) Not understood enough to be able to really predict what is going to happen next.