October 15th - Obama vs McCain poll

[The Edge]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

Not really - it gives people a choice to move to a state that better fits their believe system, which is how it is already for many issues.

And please don't argue that they could just move to a different country that fits their believe system.

Not to mention our country was founded on federalistic values because we didn't like centralized government like england or france.

CHOICE!

It's a believe system

[Daelos]

The king and his court jester:

[Knucklehead]

Originally Posted by Kiroy

I understand where you're coming from, but I'm a firm believer in the Federal Government transferring more power to the states - and my opinion on this particular issues is based on my overreaching belief.

I think a smaller federal goverment would result in a more successful America, and if it aloud itself to shrink by giving more power to state governments, eventually state governments would follow by example and also shrink, giving more power to the people.

I used to think the same thing. Then I realized, that shit is never going to happen. Reagan expanded the government; Bush I, and Bush II expanded the government. It's a pie in the sky notion. If they keep expanding the government, the least they can do is make sure this country isn't a fucking backdrop to a Great Gatsby novel. But, apparently, even that is too much to ask of the current Republican party. Split off; break up; Do whatever it is you have to do, so that so that you can, as I heard someone quote William Buckley, go into the desert and purify yourself. Then maybe I'll consider backing an ideology over first hand experience.

But then again, I have to ask myself. If this government was largely formed upon the notions of John Locke--principally, that government's only job is to keep man out of a state of nature, where there are no individual rights beyond what you can defend yourself from--then why the fuck do we think the a market should be absolutely free? When did we become economic anarchists?

[CalhoonJugganaut]

I'll be voting Obama, but I thought McCain did much better in this debate. Not that I agreed with him on most of his opposing points, but he was more confident and was willing to take Barack on when it came down to hard questions.

Bob Schieffer was obviously the best moderator thus far and asked the questions everyone wanted addressed.

I believe Obama shined during the questions on negative campaigning, abortion, and education.

McCain flubbed it when he retracted and tried to milk the negative campaining for more than it was worth. As far as abortion is concerned, Chief Justice Roberts has said it would take a judicial miracle for the Roe V. Wade decision to be overturned and its like McCain was overlooking that point completely. Obama wants to reduce abortion by 95% in the next 10 years and regardless if thats pro-abortion or not, that seems to be the best approach possible. I will be a teacher in about 2 years and McCain didn't appeal to me as a college student and as a future teacher as much as Obama did. I think McCain has a couple of ideas that are worth considering, but overall Obama outshined McCain and really made his stance and emphasis on the seriousness of education seem more rational and logical than did his opponent.

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Designz

Dude, just imagine sitting at a table and talking with McCain, you'd freak out at his awkwardness before ten minutes. Did you see him during the debate? He looked like he had snakes and scorpions in his pants. He clearly isn't a good communicator, and we can't have a poor communicator as president.

Is this sarcasm?

[CalhoonJugganaut]

I would agree with such a statement

[Gilgamel]

Not gonna vote. McCain has run an awful campaign and I can't fathom Palin leading the country. Obama is impressive in a lot of ways but I can't support him on too many issues to give him my vote. Oh well.

[Arbitrary]

You should still show up and pick someone that represents you. Fringe parties could qualify for additional campaign financing if they actually had more votes.

[Cynno]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

Not gonna vote. McCain has run an awful campaign and I can't fathom Palin leading the country. Obama is impressive in a lot of ways but I can't support him on too many issues to give him my vote. Oh well.

lol, the right wing strikes again.

Did you vote for bush the second time?

It would be hilarious if you did.

[Celebrindal]

They should have added an above shot camera to show what the candidates were writing. I kept thinking Mccain was Jackie Treehorn from The Big Lebowski, everytime he wrote something down.

[Lonin]

We need some post-election electoral map predictions. I'll start by being completely unrealistic. Whoever get's it right/closest gets e-props.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

Man, they're replaying the debate right now. I watched it earlier but was trying to listen to the words more than anything else. Now I'm watching McCain's reactions more and he's just so confrontational and immature. I can see why he lost in the polls a bit better now.

I thought maybe it was just my bias, reading the posts here I thought I must have missed it. But honestly I thought McCain did poorly, seeing all the polls it pretty much jives with what I thought they should be.

He has too abrasive, too confrontational, too "angry old man". He made every single point a point of contention. Seriously, what was that shit about Columbia? Is that where you want to stake your position on trade, with Columbia? But Venezuala is over the line?His position was too nuanced to be easily understood, however Obama's "American interests first, even if that means unilateral renegotiation" made quick sense.

Attacks garner to affection of the base, almost exclusively. McCain chose to attack on almost every point. Another lost opportunity to connect to independents and crossover Democrats. His campaign has made yet another blunder, imo.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Lonin

We need some post-election electoral map predictions. I'll start by being completely unrealistic. Whoever get's it right/closest gets e-props.

My prediction:

[The Edge]

Mine

[Sharmai]

I think McCain did better in this debate then any of the previous ones but what sucks for him is that he finally found out what he should have been talking about all along in the first 30 minutes of this debate. Had he done this one debate ago then this debate might have played out differently. That said now he has to go take that message to the battleground states where hes being outspent heavily and where he can't expect to get media coverage any bigger then last night.

Secondly I thought McCain hurt himself for some of same reasons already mentioned and other one I haven't seen yet.

McCain NEVER agrees with Obama. Never. He has to argue about every single point. It is really childish. I know there are a TON of issues they disagree on and I get that but is McCain really up there giving off the view that every view obama has ever had is always wrong and he is always right? When Obama says "McCain and i agree..." he scores points because he shows that he can consider the opinion of the other side and if its better he can adapt to it. (Note* This doesn't necessarily mean that Obama had an opposite opinion to begin with)

I would have liked the moderator to ask another question which I think would have benefited McCain greatly. "Senator McCain: Do you 100% agree and support any of Obama's plans?"

That would have made it really look like a person who works across the isle.

I also think the "I'm not Bush" will backfire since it will put out more coverage from Obama about how he IS just like Bush. Frankly, when you vote with Bush 90% of the time your best argument against that is to side step it and get around the issue. Answer it once then ignore it and focus on something else the people find important. Let the people get over it.

If he spends the next two weeks fighting that charge of being Bush then hes done for.

Originally Posted by AladainAF

What the fuck ever. Olbermann is a fucking hate-filled douche just like limbaugh. The only problem is your total and complete failure to recognize it, since your definition of hate speech is so narrow as to what it really is.

While I don't watch Olbermann very often when I have seen him he is usually making jokes about other peoples ignorance or naivety. Most of the time hes picking on republicans where there seems to currently be an excessive amount of it. Now making fun of the ignorant is bad taste but I can't say that I would equate that with hate speech.

For example if i spoke ghetto and someone made fun of me for it, it would be a thin line, but I could understand how they were making fun of my ignorance to speaking proper English. Which if my middle name was Hussein and they were using it as a derogatory word there's not even a possible thin line about it. That's hate.

So no I wouldn't say Rush or Hannity are comparable to Olbermann even if Olbermann is bad taste.