16 bucks a month to save the polar bears!

[Aegdaien]

The last 4 or 5 posts saved this thread from complete retardation.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Desx

The educational, financial, political, and religious systems are to blame.

Fixed.

It has been a non-issue to most people for so long that it will be incredibly difficult to change. Not impossible.

And on the lighter side, Goodnight sweet prince.

What's up doc?

Your time.

[Korioni]

So... why is it our responsibility to save species again? I realize that we're the cause of the extinction, but you seem to assume that there's a difference between "natural extinction" and ones caused by humans. Are we unnatural elements? Seems to me we grew up on this planet right along with the polar bears.


As for the ecosystem...


As it turns out, we as humans can in fact control mass production of domesticated animals. Do we eat polar bears? Seals? It seems to me that their single use is to keep the population of animals we do eat under control (aka fish). It also seems to me that humans, with a little oversight, could easily control the fish population significantly better than the polar bears and seals. Oh look, I just saved myself 16 bucks.

The "ecosystem" bullshit is just that. We've been controlling production of cattle and chicken and pretty much every other kind of animal-made edible substance for thousands of years and now even in mass proportions. We don't need polar bears to do the job.

I can't instill a sense of wonder and appreciation of your planet and the life it contains into you. That is something your parents should have done but failed. But I will say you are disconnected from the reality of your situation. You are just as dependent on the earth as any polar bear, dog, or bird. You might not be aware of it because it shows up at your door wrapped magically in plastic. The plastic comes from the earth, the parts of your computer come from the earth, your shit that gets flushed down the toilet gets processed and dumped back into the earth. The motor oil your neighbor dumps into storm drains get dumped untreated into your local ocean, river, or lake system. The fish you eat might come from that water.

What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Does any part of this discussion prior to your post mention anything like that? Believe it or not, there's a bit of a difference between killing off species and killing off the environment(2 entirely different things fyi). You seem to be bunching every hippie-driven agenda into an argument solely about a species' extinction.


Because guys... if we kill off polar bears, the ice caps will melt and flood the earth and we'll run out of gas and then our computers won't have any polar bear in them to make them run!!!

[Malakriss]

Polar bears are important for the future of United States stealth technology. Their natural camouflage and radical biological design makes them nearly impervious to infrared sensors. Other adaptations prove that the polar bear is also more efficient at hunting baby seals than radical commercial workers with clubs.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by Korioni

So... why is it our responsibility to save species again? I realize that we're the cause of the extinction, but you seem to assume that there's a difference between "natural extinction" and ones caused by humans. Are we unnatural elements? Seems to me we grew up on this planet right along with the polar bears.


As for the ecosystem...


As it turns out, we as humans can in fact control mass production of domesticated animals. Do we eat polar bears? Seals? It seems to me that their single use is to keep the population of animals we do eat under control (aka fish). It also seems to me that humans, with a little oversight, could easily control the fish population significantly better than the polar bears and seals. Oh look, I just saved myself 16 bucks.

The "ecosystem" bullshit is just that. We've been controlling production of cattle and chicken and pretty much every other kind of animal-made edible substance for thousands of years and now even in mass proportions. We don't need polar bears to do the job.



What the fuck does this have to do with anything? Does any part of this discussion prior to your post mention anything like that? Believe it or not, there's a bit of a difference between killing off species and killing off the environment(2 entirely different things fyi). You seem to be bunching every hippie-driven agenda into an argument solely about a species' extinction.


Because guys... if we kill off polar bears, the ice caps will melt and flood the earth and we'll run out of gas and then our computers won't have any polar bear in them to make them run!!!

You stupid piece of shit. Why are 25% of mammals facing extinction? Because we are destroying their habitats! Look, you obviously do not understand earth science so I am not going to sit here and educate your proudly ignorant ass.

Oh, and this is hilarious

It also seems to me that humans, with a little oversight, could easily control the fish population significantly better than the polar bears and seals. Oh look, I just saved myself 16 bucks.

It's so obvious you don't know anything about what is happening in the world right now. You are SO ignorant. What information do you base your assumption that humans can "easily control the fish population"? Admit that you don't know how the environment works or how populations function, and kindly stfu.

Anyway, I will name the stupid attitude you have. This is the attitude Europeans had when they first came to the Americas. It is an attitude based on the Christian belief that God created this planet and everything in it was a resource to be exploited by humans. This is the foundation of the way you think. This is where that way of thinking started.

You have NO appreciation for anything that doesn't serve a use for you. That's fucking disgusting.

[Korioni]

Originally Posted by earthfell

Anyway, I will name the stupid attitude you have. This is the attitude Europeans had when they first came to the Americas. It is an attitude based on the Christian belief that God created this planet and everything in it was a resource to be exploited by humans. This is the foundation of the way you think. This is where that way of thinking started.

You have NO appreciation for anything that doesn't serve a use for you. That's fucking disgusting.

First paragraph=sorry no. I'm not a religious person.
Second paragraph=pretty much, yeah.

With all due respect to the species of this planet, our own is the priority. I don't need to think we have a God-given right to superiority... we already are.

Nothing on this planet was put on it to serve humans, but they're still there and they're still going to. Our own survival is, again, the priority.

[Korioni]

Originally Posted by earthfell

It's so obvious you don't know anything about what is happening in the world right now. You are SO ignorant. What information do you base your assumption that humans can "easily control the fish population"? Admit that you don't know how the environment works or how populations function, and kindly stfu.

Because we can count, hunt and breed the fish a hell of a lot better than the polar bears ever could.

[Agraza]

Originally Posted by earthfell

You have NO appreciation for anything that doesn't serve a use for you. That's fucking disgusting.

It's only a projection of survival instinct. Self-interest is the dominant force in the minds of most people. Children don't reduce that interest either, they just change the focus to our offspring as the inevitable furtherance of our own survival. If it comes down to any "them", in this case polar bears, or us, it is always us. Most people don't have the education to understand that "their" survival is linked to ours.

It is a failing of our culture that we make such a small effort to remedy this environmental myopia.

[Arbitrary]

Do you think that you should treat others as you would like to be treated? Not being religious doesn't mean that ideas or concepts you have cannot have their origins traced to that realm.

And our own species is most certainly our priority. That is exactly why we shouldn't be fucking things up. Someone gets a genius plan to shoot every wolf they see or send some toads to Australia and a couple years later the farmer's fields are filled with plague-deer and cane toads rule the outback.

We cannot regulate things better. We suck shit like that. We've got a long and proud history of getting fucked by our own good intentions.

[Astrocreep]

Im so glad ancient man wiped out the saber tooth tiger, giant sloth and woolly mammoth ten thousand years ago. saved us the trouble of having to see a scam commercial about saving the mammoths or the earth will melt.

[Kuriin]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

since when are the polar bear going extinct? i cant believe TV would air this stupidity.

Wow.

Yeah.


Wow.

[AladainAF]

I wonder if some day we'll have a save the fire ant and save the mosquito advertising campaigns when we find a way to exterminate them efficiently.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Kuriin

Wow.

Yeah.


Wow.

yeah i guess its a bit naive of me to say that. how many years did that fat ass sally struthers go on TV begging for us to save the ubangis. with all the food she must bring along on those trips she could feed all the children herself.

[Kuriin]

Sadly, that wasn't my point. I forgot that quoting automatically italicizes what's inside. I tried to italicize the first sentence then bold the second. Fail. :[

[Aegdaien]

It's difficult to argue the merits of preserving our environment when 95% of this board is filled with people who eat at McDonalds 5 times a week and the only nature they see firsthand are the trees in Ashenvale. Get the fuck out of your basements and have an appreciation for where you live you fat ignorant slobs.