[CA] Medical Marijuana Ruling

[Simas]

Porn and wow are addictive too!

We went through this a few months back.

Weed is not physically addictive.

Oxy and other meds are however.

[Scorp]

Originally Posted by Seo

hahaha man you are such a tool.

there have been many studies on the addictiveness of pot and guess what. it is addictive.

also just a fyi. ive done more drugs than i should have and i'm still an alcoholic and addicted to opiates.

Oh really? Link some. Post proof. Because there aren't any reputable (thats a big part of it) that show that weed itself is addictive. And I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about. Anything can be mentally addictive. Shit, sex is pretty addictive (not that you'd know), doesn't mean it's physically addictive (like ciggarettes). Mental addiction isn't a problem, because it's easily overcome with a strong will, and if you don't have as strong will, if you weren't addicted to weed you'd be addicted to something else. Physical addiction (which is a problem) has nothing to do with weed. You will not become physically addicted to weed. Hense, weed is not bad.

You lose, go away loser. Keep going against weed and saying it's bad when theres no negative sides.

[xHyLiOs55x]

I think it comes down to this dude not knowing the difference between "Want" and 'Need". Me being a pot head already, i dont NEED weed to function and go about my life at work/school/home or what have you. Ive been smoking for 7 years...there have been countless times where i have just stopped completely...just didnt feel like getting high that day/week or whatever. I may WANT to get high a lot because 1.) makes thing just that much more relaxing n fun 2.) me being underweight for my height n size (6'2" 121 lbs...twig basically) It helps me gain a much stronger appetite for food to try n gain weight and 3.) its a hell of a lot less damaging then cigarettes and alcohol (imo) long term when i do decide to stop smoking weed....which is retardedly easy.

[Seo]

Originally Posted by Scorp

Oh really? Link some. Post proof. Because there aren't any reputable (thats a big part of it) that show that weed itself is addictive. And I don't think you know what the fuck you're talking about. Anything can be mentally addictive. Shit, sex is pretty addictive (not that you'd know), doesn't mean it's physically addictive (like ciggarettes). Mental addiction isn't a problem, because it's easily overcome with a strong will, and if you don't have as strong will, if you weren't addicted to weed you'd be addicted to something else. Physical addiction (which is a problem) has nothing to do with weed. You will not become physically addicted to weed. Hense, weed is not bad.

You lose, go away loser. Keep going against weed and saying it's bad when theres no negative sides.

first of all sex is physically addictive.

any time you play with the chemistry in your brain you run a risk of addiction.

also before i start digging up links how can you people honestly deny the negative effects of pot? pot turns people into idiots. they don't learn anything while on it and sure as shit you can tell who a pot head is just from talking to them for 2 fucking minutes in person due to their cadence.

[Scorp]

Originally Posted by Seo

first of all sex is physically addictive.

any time you play with the chemistry in your brain you run a risk of addiction.

also before i start digging up links how can you people honestly deny the negative effects of pot? pot turns people into idiots. they don't learn anything while on it and sure as shit you can tell who a pot head is just from talking to them for 2 fucking minutes in person due to their cadence.

K, whatever, ignore the sex thing. Weed isn't, thats all that matters. Weed doesn't fuck with you're brain and make you physically addictive like cigarettes do.

And yeah wow, weed turns people into idiot. What a stereotype. I used to smoke, and look how I turned out.. man I'd really hate to look like me. Boy I really do suck huh.. actually no, I don't. Weed doesn't do anything like you claim, stop being a pussy and spouting false information.

PS -- Still waiting for proof, besides you're word. You need to prove that weed is bad, not me. You're the one making claims.

[Eduardo]

Originally Posted by Seo

Also before i start digging up links how can you people honestly deny the negative effects of pot? pot turns people into idiots. they don't learn anything while on it and sure as shit you can tell who a pot head is just from talking to them for 2 fucking minutes in person due to their cadence.

Way to generalize...

First of all, pot doesn't make a person. Some of the smartest people I have met (physicists, chemists, engineers, philosophers) were cannabis users, hence your generalization is incorrect.

Now I agree that SOME pot heads are fucking ignorant idiots, but that doesn't mean cannabis caused it. It might make it worse, just as it might make the smart ones smarter.

[Moontayle]

Marijuana is an addictive drug - It is now frequently stated that marijuana is profoundly addicting and that any increase in prevalence of use will lead inevitably to increases in addiction. Essentially all drugs are used in "an addictive fashion" by some people. However, for any drug to be identified as highly addictive, there should be evidence that substantial numbers of users repeatedly fail in their attempts to discontinue use and develop use-patterns that interfere with other life activities. National epidemiological surveys show that the large majority of people who have had experience with marijuana do not become regular users. In 1993, among Americans age 12 and over, about 34% had used marijuana sometime in their life, but only 9% had used it in the past year, 4.3% in the past month, and 2.8% in the past week. A longitudinal study of young adults who had first been surveyed in high school also found a high "discontinuation rate" for marijuana. While 77% had used the drug, 74% of those had NOT used in the past year and 84% had NOT used in the past month. Compare this to a truly addictive drug, such as the nicotine in smoked tobacco with a 90% addiction rate, and the argument for possible marijuana addiction starts to sound very silly.

Chris Brunner .com » Blog Archive » Top 10 Marijuana Myths

Yeah, it's a blog but I'm trying to find a more reputable source.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Seo

also before i start digging up links how can you people honestly deny the negative effects of pot? pot turns people into idiots. they don't learn anything while on it and sure as shit you can tell who a pot head is just from talking to them for 2 fucking minutes in person due to their cadence.

Post evidence and THEN make your conclusion. Right now you are posting a conclusion with 0(zero[none]) evidence.

It makes you look incredibly ignorant and does nothing to help your cause. Before you make the ever-so witty comeback of "whatever I don't care what you guys think", remember you are the one that came in here with your conclusions based on no evidence.

So put up, or shut up.

You claim pot is as chemically addictive and dangerious to the human body as alcohol. You claim it makes people idiots and they are not capable of learning while under the influence. You also claim you can spot a pot head within 2 minutes by talking to them.

If you cannot provide any actual medical research that proves your claims, I would kindly ask that you shut your ignorant, retarded, gaping cock holster and go back to being stupid elsewhere.

Please.

[Seo]

Originally Posted by Scorp

K, whatever, ignore the sex thing. Weed isn't, thats all that matters. Weed doesn't fuck with you're brain and make you physically addictive like cigarettes do.

And yeah wow, weed turns people into idiot. What a stereotype. I used to smoke, and look how I turned out.. man I'd really hate to look like me. Boy I really do suck huh.. actually no, I don't. Weed doesn't do anything like you claim, stop being a pussy and spouting false information.

PS -- Still waiting for proof, besides you're word. You need to prove that weed is bad, not me. You're the one making claims.

i dont know those tats seem pretty awful.

also how the hell can you say weed doesnt fuck with your brain? fine assholes ill dig thru the hundreds of livejournal hits which are bound to come up when looking up pot on the internet and find the real links to how addictive it is. however i cant believe you can actually think and put down anywhere that it doesnt mess with your brain.


oh and here the first pic on the wiki entry for it to hold you over. from a journal of medicine.

[Moontayle]

Is Nicotine Addictive?

Philip J. Hilts, New York Times, August 2, 1994

Experts Rate Problem Substances

Dr. Jack E. Henningfield of the National Institute on Drug Abuse and Dr. Neal L. Benowitz of the University of California at San Francisco ranked six substances based on five problem areas.

Withdrawal: Presence and severity of characteristic withdrawal symptoms.

Reinforcement: A measure of the substance's ability, in human and animal tests, to get users to take it again and again, and in preference to other substances.

Tolerance: How much of the substance is needed to satisfy increasing cravings for it, and the level of stable need that is eventually reached.

Dependence: How difficult it is for the user to quit, the relapse rate, the percentage of people who eventually become dependent, the rating users give their own need for the substance and the degree to which the substance will be used in the face of evidence that it causes harm.

Intoxication: Though not usually counted as a measure of addiction in itself, the level of intoxication is associated with addiction and increases the personal and social damage a substance may do.

HENNINGFIELD RATINGS 1 = Most serious 6 = Least serious

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Substance Withdrawal Reinforcement Tolerance Dependence Intoxication

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Nicotine 3 4 2 1 5

Heroin 2 2 1 2 2

Cocaine 4 1 4 3 3

Alcohol 1 3 3 4 1

Caffeine 5 6 5 5 6

Marijuana 6 5 6 6 4

[PerritoBites]

You're = you are.

Anyways, weed should be legal. The reason it is illegal has nothing to do with the negative effects, but with the black market behind it... Also, US portrays itself as fighting the War against drugs, and if they back away on some of these drugs it might look weak.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Seo

...however i cant believe you can actually think and put down anywhere that it doesnt mess with your brain.

First off, "mess with your brain" is not what you said. Are you changing your stance from 10 minutes ago? Also, "mess with your brain" is rather vague. I can read a language that I don't read and based off an MRI it will, "mess with my brain". So how about you go ahead and get digging. You are the smart one here remember. We are all just a bunch of pot-heads (or former pot-heads since it was SOOOO hard to stop) and you are the clear thinking intelligent one that has learned all this stuff while not smoking weed.

[Scorp]

So you showed me a picture proving that pot heads like pot.. great.. doesn't prove that it's physically addicting.

P.S. Don't forget links to go with these pictures.

[Eduardo]

It has specific chemical effects in the brain. The human brain has specific receptors tailored to bind with THC only...

No one is claiming it doesn't 'mess' with the brain, depending on what you mean by 'mess' of course. However, we are claiming it is:

Not Chemically Addictive

which has a specific scientific meaning.

[Seo]

i don't agree with it being illegal i rank it the same as alcohol personally however i'm tired of every fucking pothead and hippy ever using medicine as a reason. not when there are way better medicines to treat everything people claim pot does. which if you look at my first post was my whole point.