McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Gecko]

The number of nasty ad hoc attacks is disturbing.

The media was definitely in supporting Obama. Heck, MSNBC had it's nightly programming geared to attacking Clinton and pushing Obama. If they were circling like Sharks, Rezko and Ayers would have gotten more coverage. Ridiculous.

Obama got a lot of press because he was fresh. The same as Palin. The problem is Obama did not get the same treatment Hillary did, and Barack was pushed by the grassroots for whatever reason. It wasn't just Obama, Romney was propped, pushed, and supported by all the right wing pundits in the same manner. He just wasn't as good a campaigner as Obama.

In regards to the economic plans statement, it seems you are missing the obvious from my post: Obama will walk in with a Democrat Controlled Senate and House and an agenda of spending and allowing massive pork to his friends. Mccain will be fighting to get any bills through due to the other party controlling congress. I know y'all are pretty partsan, but even your common sense should see who will end up spending a lot less and allowing for less taxes to be pushed through, campaign promises and rhetoric not withstanding?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Gecko

Barack was pushed by the grassroots for whatever reason.

The grass roots of the Republican party are the conservatives. They are the only ones pushing Palin. The sensible Republicans think this is a suicide pick.

[Zora]

Originally Posted by Gecko

The number of nasty ad hoc attacks is disturbing.

The media was definitely in supporting Obama. Heck, MSNBC had it's nightly programming geared to attacking Clinton and pushing Obama. If they were circling like Sharks, Rezko and Ayers would have gotten more coverage, but I'm sure convicted felons who bankroll politicians, and terrorist bombers who launch their political careers are not newsworthy. Ridiculous.

Obama got a lot of press because he was fresh. The same as Palin. The problem is Obama did not get the same treatment Hillary did, and Barack was pushed by the grassroots for whatever reason.

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Huh? Do you watch CNN? Cuz for weeks on end they were running the Wright videos on a loop. It was so bad that many dubbed it the Clinton News Network.

[Gecko]

A lot of them do, IRB. I agree. I think it was a ploy to try and create media exposure and fund raising. There is no denying it's helped on the fund raising. It certainly could backfire, but I think he needed an out of the box pick, or Obama's campaigning skills and the DNC talking points would've beat him, anyways.

Zora, notice I didn't include Wright, although I thought that was a silly attack, and the only reason it got airtime is it was on autoloop on Fox for a few months. Attacking a disgruntled older black preacher who airs anger, and rightfully so, who was also a marine vet who honorably served, and who has a history of strong community service really was dumb, and probably helped Obama, as it should have.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Gecko

A lot of them do, IRB. I agree. I think it was a ploy to try and create media exposure and fund raising. There is no denying it's helped on the fund raising. It certainly could backfire, but I think he needed an out of the box pick, or Obama's campaigning skills and the DNC talking points would've beat him, anyways.

Right. As Bill Kristol said, McCain was becoming just a bit player in the Obama story. He had to shake things up. I just think he went overboard especially if he knew the little girl was pregnant.

The Biden pick was as it should be; a non-event. McCain now has a Jerry Springer freak show running with him.

[spronk]

McCain was a serious dumb fuck for choosing this MILF with a dumbass past, and it'll be one of the factors (age, economy, Bush) that loses him this election - when the timeline/process of her being chosen filters out widely nobody will trust his decision making abilities anymore.

And God must really hate the republicans this year for sending Gustov down during the RNC while giving Obama a sunny week.

[Sharmai]

AAmina- Missing Khorum are we?

Gecko
MSNBC is to liberals as Fox news is to conservatives (Though I'd argue fox is worse but I digress) I don't watch fox or msnbc I watch CNN.

CNN and I saw them picking up the craptastic issues and fawning on Obama at the same time. I saw them circling like sharks for his Iraq trip to. He got so much attention because he was a black man running against a powerful white women who was expected to win by a landslide. The odds were stacked against him thrice over in the beginning and he was a nobody till super Tuesday.

In other words he got the attention he fought for and then it took on a shape of its own.

My point is Obama didn't just show up last week and get the nomination on a silver platter. He got hit hard and often from the left and right but took the hits turned them to his advantage. Playing his cards right is smart strategy. Using his underdog status was smart strategy. Using the steam while he had it was smart strategy.


You may not like his policies or direction for this country but don't discount his campaign's hard work because your a jaded voter.

[chaos]

There have been several articles detailing Obama's primary victory. Only a straight up, no shit retard would think that it wasn't a masterpiece of American politics. Either they're going to change the process or that primary campaign will be studied for years by Democrats. Saying that it was purely media bias is a cop out. That media thing went both ways, any reasonable person realizes that.

[Digits]

Originally Posted by Gecko

A lot of them do, IRB. I agree. I think it was a ploy to try and create media exposure and fund raising. There is no denying it's helped on the fund raising. It certainly could backfire, but I think he needed an out of the box pick, or Obama's campaigning skills and the DNC talking points would've beat him, anyways.

Zora, notice I didn't include Wright, although I thought that was a silly attack, and the only reason it got airtime is it was on autoloop on Fox for a few months. Attacking a disgruntled older black preacher who airs anger, and rightfully so, who was also a marine vet who honorably served, and who has a history of strong community service really was dumb, and probably helped Obama, as it should have.

Do you even realize how stupid you sound? So you admit that the media endlessly played a non-issue for months, but refuse to admit that they played Rezko for weeks as well? Are you just ignoring vast swathes of time now? Every possible Obama scandal was blown out of proportion by the media, and as quickly as they were there they deflated. The reason Ayers and Rezko aren't getting continual attention is because they are a bullshit issues that Obama has already nullified and completely neutered as issues. He have intimate access regarding this issues back during the primaries and answered every single question and vindicated himself. There is no more story to them. Clinton has already sucked up every single possible scandal Obama could be hit with and played it out. The media is not going to highlight old news over and over again, no matter how much McCain and the GOP are trying. If they believed as hard in actual recycling over recycling old news stories our planet would be a literal paradise.

Are you serious about the blue legislative and executive? Obama is going to force his party to follow his lead. He explicitly refused to cater to special interests and lobbyists and powered his campaign through the people. I'm sorry that you're so fucking stupid that you think the Pharmaceutical industry and the oil companies are on the same level of special interests as MoveOn.org

How do you figure out how to put your bra and panties on in the morning?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

I think Frank Luntz is actually a Sean Hannity lackey but this focus group had interesting results.

Another week, another Frank Luntz/AARP focus group of undecided voters--this one in Minneapolis and with some bad news for John McCain: they don't like the choice of Sarah Palin for vice president. Only one person said Palin made him more likely to vote for McCain; about half the 25-member group raised their hands when asked if Palin made them less likely to vote for McCain. They had a negative impression of Palin by a 2-1 margin...a fact that was reinforced when they were given hand-dials and asked to react to Palin's speech at her first appearance with McCain on Friday---the dials remained totally neutral as Palin went through her heart-warming(?) biography, and only blipped upwards when she said she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere--which wasn't quite the truth, as we now know.

Her speech at the convention will be very interesting. Will she come off as Presidential or just some nutbag extra from the movie "Fargo"? I think it will be Sarah "Fargo" Palin.

Source: Time

[Gecko]

Originally Posted by Sharmai

AAmina- Missing Khorum are we?

You may not like his policies or direction for this country but don't discount his campaign's hard work because your a jaded voter.

I've repeated several times that he's a gifted campaigner and his organization beat Hillary's like a rented mule.

That said, she did win half the votes and over the last half of the DNC primary she was on a streak and won most of the later primaries after things got tough and she started hitting him harder, and the media was trying to right it's ship, well, except MSNBC.

I think she underestimated him initially and it cost her, as she was in too deep a hole.

Digits, you were an abused child, weren't you?

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by spronk

And God must really hate the republicans this year for sending Gustov down during the RNC while giving Obama a sunny week.

Maybe He's just sick and tired of His name used in politics (even if it was "a joke"... like anyone really believes that) and decided to enact a little retribution.

[Gecko]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Her speech at the convention will be very interesting. Will she come off as Presidential or just some nutbag extra from the movie "Fargo"? I think it will be Sarah "Fargo" Palin.

But... Fargo was awesome, like all the Cohen movies...

[Sharmai]

Gecko

yes she did. everyone underestimated him. (Doesn't that in itself speak volumes about who he is?)

A man whose name is one syllable away from the most hated man of America and who is also black took on the FACE of the democratic party the CLINTON'S.

It took luck and a massive amount of political gameplay and even then the odds were against him.

When people say "Clinton got 18 million votes!" I say well yes but what did you expect? It's the Clinton's for fucks sake.

[Lalala]

Originally Posted by Gecko

In regards to the economic plans statement, it seems you are missing the obvious from my post: Obama will walk in with a Democrat Controlled Senate and House and an agenda of spending and allowing massive pork to his friends. Mccain will be fighting to get any bills through due to the other party controlling congress. I know y'all are pretty partsan, but even your common sense should see who will end up spending a lot less and allowing for less taxes to be pushed through, campaign promises and rhetoric not withstanding?

Republicans have a very bad history on spending, ESPECIALLY the last 8 years, I always wondered why people keep associating republicans with less spending...