McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden - Page 494

I'm Rich Bitch · 09-27-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AladainAF

What voters think about the debates has been proven many times in history to not matter.

In fact, often times debate winners (via voter reactions) take dips in the polls afterward.

I think the only election you have observed is 2004. This is simply not true. This election can be compared to 1980 when the Democrats painted Ronald Reagan as a stupid actor. When the debates happened Reagan proved them wrong. This is what has happened with Obama. The Republicans, namely Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have painted Obama as needing a teleprompter for everything.

The debates will prove that he does not and their narrative will be proven false. Just like Reagan in 1980.

Zhaun's_Shade · 09-27-2008, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Araxen

Daily Kos: Obama Humiliated McCain in White House Bailout Meeting

Talking Points Memo

Very interesting. If Obama did ran over him all day Thurs, guess McCain would be a bit cranky on Friday night.

Soriak · 09-27-2008, 08:50 PM

On the last page, a correction was mentioned about Obama's tax plan. He said 95% of taxpayers would see a tax cut, whereas the correction (factcheck) said it'd be 80%. The latter number is a tax cut compared to taxes today, whereas the 95% is how many will pay less taxes after Bush's tax cut expire. (they are only temporary) If you think the Bush tax cut would be made permanent regardless, then the 80% number would be more accurate. If you think the cut would be left to expire, the 95% figure is correct.

On another note: McCain missed the vote on the spending bill, which contained over 2,000 "earmarks." Would have been an opportunity to vote against it and show how serious he is. McCain Skips Vote on Spending Bill | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

AladainAF · 09-27-2008, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Soriak

On another note: McCain missed the vote on the spending bill, which contained over 2,000 "earmarks." Would have been an opportunity to vote against it and show how serious he is. McCain Skips Vote on Spending Bill | The Trail | washingtonpost.com

I thought Chuck Schumer just the other day told McCain to get out of town. I'm so confused.

edit: wasn't harry reid, fixed.

chaos · 09-27-2008, 09:10 PM

I thought that was in reference to the negotiations over the bailout bill, and his little "campaign suspension".

AladainAF · 09-27-2008, 09:59 PM

Ok, so hes supposed to get out of town on Friday, but then Saturday be in town to vote.

Personally, I think it should be required to quit your Senate/House/Governor/Etc job when you run for president. They are still earning a salary from the taxpayers to do a job, and should be required to do said job every day just like the rest of us.

Zhaun's_Shade · 09-27-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AladainAF

Ok, so hes supposed to get out of town on Friday, but then Saturday be in town to vote.

You're just trying to be thick here.

They didn't want him to drag presidential politics into a situation that didn't need them. No one said or is saying he shouldn't show up to vote.

AladainAF · 09-27-2008, 10:30 PM

Basically, on Wednesday Harry Reid says he wanted to know where John McCain stands. He shows up, then gets told to get out of town, then hes supposed to vote on something to "prove" hes tough on earmarks.

McCains "Not Voting" record is fucking stupid, and makes me angry why hes even getting a Salary.

I dunno about you, but I wouldn't be opposed to getting a paycheck without doing any work.

chaos · 09-27-2008, 10:52 PM

You're confusing 2 different things. Reid said that they didn't need him for the negotiations on the bailout bill, and said that he didn't need to suspend his campaign or bow out of the debates. He just wanted McCain to do some leadership, not show up and fuck up the process, which by some accounts seems to be what happened. Him not voting on the spending bill was his own thing. He could have driven there in about 10 minutes, Crystal City is basically in DC. He instead chose to.. not go. Which honestly, I'm ok with just because his vote against would not have changed the outcome and would have been purely a political "hey look at me I'm against earmarks!" move. And his position on earmarks is more than a little ridiculous, he has people convinced that by cutting 18 billion in earmark spending he can somehow fix the deficit of 450ish billion. It's a tiny amount of money but if you listened to McCain you would think that cutting earmarks and CEO salaries would completely fix the economy.

Anyway, yeah it's 2 different issues. And you're right, they should HAVE to vote, constituents are supposed to hold them accountable for that but we see how often that happens. I'm all about term limits, but they are the ones who would have to pass such a law.

Jedite · 09-27-2008, 11:08 PM

ROFLMAO

Poor Palin.

Tina Fey As Sarah Palin: Katie Couric SNL Skit (VIDEO)

Requiem · 09-27-2008, 11:20 PM

Sharmai · 09-27-2008, 11:24 PM

Wow. That was just wow. Is it a shame that during the second half of the skit that I felt like it was actually the real Palin giving her response to couric in the interview?

Tiny Fey does a great job...

Zippygoose · 09-27-2008, 11:27 PM

Well for a good 10 seconds it was pretty much the exact answer Palin really gave. Then they went a little further for the lulz.

Designz · 09-27-2008, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharmai

Wow. That was just wow. Is it a shame that during the second half of the skit that I felt like it was actually the real Palin giving her response to couric in the interview?

Tiny Fey does a great job...

This just shows that Palin is hilarious as is.

Sunder · 09-27-2008, 11:42 PM

I fully support giving the VP candidates life lines during the debate. I think this would just increase the entertainment value.

View Poll Results: Who do you think will win the 2008 Presidential Election?
McCain/Palin	583	33.18%
Obama/Biden	1,131	64.37%
Other	43	2.45%
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09-27-2008, 09:59 PM	#7401 (permalink)
AladainAF Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,930 -42 Internets	Ok, so hes supposed to get out of town on Friday, but then Saturday be in town to vote. Personally, I think it should be required to quit your Senate/House/Governor/Etc job when you run for president. They are still earning a salary from the taxpayers to do a job, and should be required to do said job every day just like the rest of us. __________________ Vexacion (Elyos) - Marchutan

09-27-2008, 10:30 PM	#7403 (permalink)
AladainAF Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 3,930 -42 Internets	Basically, on Wednesday Harry Reid says he wanted to know where John McCain stands. He shows up, then gets told to get out of town, then hes supposed to vote on something to "prove" hes tough on earmarks. McCains "Not Voting" record is fucking stupid, and makes me angry why hes even getting a Salary. I dunno about you, but I wouldn't be opposed to getting a paycheck without doing any work. __________________ Vexacion (Elyos) - Marchutan

09-27-2008, 11:08 PM	#7405 (permalink)
Jedite Am I pissing you off fafa? Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 916 -1 Internets	ROFLMAO Poor Palin. Tina Fey As Sarah Palin: Katie Couric SNL Skit (VIDEO) __________________ Jedite Neshtal , Paladin Vanguard(HillsBury) ,EQ2 (Faydark) Disturbed ,EQ1 Tarrew Marr (R.I.P), Hunter LOTRO Vestal Paladin WoW(Eoner), Conqueror AOC(Zug)

09-27-2008, 11:20 PM	#7406 (permalink)
Requiem Site Administrator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1,259 +109 Internets	lol __________________ Requiem Alloria Mistweave Uberguilds.org, fohguild.org Site Administrator requiem@fohguild.org

09-27-2008, 08:50 PM	#7398 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 5,830 +54 Internets	On the last page, a correction was mentioned about Obama's tax plan. He said 95% of taxpayers would see a tax cut, whereas the correction (factcheck) said it'd be 80%. The latter number is a tax cut compared to taxes today, whereas the 95% is how many will pay less taxes after Bush's tax cut expire. (they are only temporary) If you think the Bush tax cut would be made permanent regardless, then the 80% number would be more accurate. If you think the cut would be left to expire, the 95% figure is correct. On another note: McCain missed the vote on the spending bill, which contained over 2,000 "earmarks." Would have been an opportunity to vote against it and show how serious he is. McCain Skips Vote on Spending Bill \| The Trail \| washingtonpost.com

09-27-2008, 09:10 PM	#7400 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	I thought that was in reference to the negotiations over the bailout bill, and his little "campaign suspension".

09-27-2008, 10:52 PM	#7404 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	You're confusing 2 different things. Reid said that they didn't need him for the negotiations on the bailout bill, and said that he didn't need to suspend his campaign or bow out of the debates. He just wanted McCain to do some leadership, not show up and fuck up the process, which by some accounts seems to be what happened. Him not voting on the spending bill was his own thing. He could have driven there in about 10 minutes, Crystal City is basically in DC. He instead chose to.. not go. Which honestly, I'm ok with just because his vote against would not have changed the outcome and would have been purely a political "hey look at me I'm against earmarks!" move. And his position on earmarks is more than a little ridiculous, he has people convinced that by cutting 18 billion in earmark spending he can somehow fix the deficit of 450ish billion. It's a tiny amount of money but if you listened to McCain you would think that cutting earmarks and CEO salaries would completely fix the economy. Anyway, yeah it's 2 different issues. And you're right, they should HAVE to vote, constituents are supposed to hold them accountable for that but we see how often that happens. I'm all about term limits, but they are the ones who would have to pass such a law.

09-27-2008, 11:27 PM	#7408 (permalink)
Zippygoose Math Enthusiast/Badass MC Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 735 +5 Internets	Well for a good 10 seconds it was pretty much the exact answer Palin really gave. Then they went a little further for the lulz.

09-27-2008, 11:42 PM	#7410 (permalink)
Sunder Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,761	I fully support giving the VP candidates life lines during the debate. I think this would just increase the entertainment value. __________________ "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." --Mark Twain

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