McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[ChewieTobbacca]

Analysis done on the survey figures. Wow, maybe it really was the body language or the rhetoric, but Obama seems to have really helped his standing a lot more with indies than McCain did:

TPM Election Central | Talking Points Memo | Initial Polls Show Obama Winning The Debate

[Jedite]

Alot of questions were answered tonight, but a lot of new ones surfaced.

1. Obama came across as being ready to be President, he showed alot of composure.

2. McCains foreign policy experience is vast, and impressive.

3. Neither candidate really wanted to comit to much in the Economic debate. Although McCain said he would vote for a bail out.

4. Obama destroyed McCain on body language. His posture was Presidential, and always tried to make eye contact with McCain. McCain on the other hand was looking all over the place except at Obama.

5. This was the debate made for McCain and he didn't score a home run.. far from it. When the talk turned to Foreign Policy, Obama held his own and threw some pretty heavy jabs. McCain did however surprise me, and held his own in the economic debate, which I thought would hurt Obama because he let McCain deviate the conversation from the bigger issue, towards earmarks ect which is McCains strenght.


Basically all network polls have Obama winning the debate, with Fox saying it was a tie. This is bad news for McCain Campaign.


One last note, if anyone thinks we are going to have a VP debate this thursday they are soarly mistaken, I just don't see anyway that the McCain campaign can put Palin on a 90 minute debate.

[chaos]

I don't think there is any way they can pull out without it having enormous negative effects on his campaign. Shit, he had Giuliani sub in for her tonight, just have him do the debate for her too. But not having it isn't anymore an option than McCain not showing up tonight was.

I fucking tell you what, i am not big on history, in the sense of I don't read a lot of biographies or anything like that. But when the McCain biographies start coming out I am picking that up, I want to know what he really thinks about Palin. I bet it's hilarious, with the word "stupid cunt" used often.

[Rhuobhe]

I originally thought mccain would be worse off than palin when the debates came. after all the shit talking going around I am surprised obama did not do better.

[chaos]

Who are you talking to that thought McCain wouldn't know his shit about foreign policy? Universally everyone I know or have talked to expected McCain to do very well.

[Yutnopash]

I fucking tell you what, i am not big on history, in the sense of I don't read a lot of biographies or anything like that. But when the McCain biographies start coming out I am picking that up, I want to know what he really thinks about Palin. I bet it's hilarious, with the word "stupid cunt" used often.

He better get on that soon if it's an autobiography or a memoir that angry old troll only has so much time left...

As for the debate Here are some of my thoughts...GOP; Focus on the "I agree with..." and paint it as not knowing what to do. Focus on the surge stuff and the "success" in Iraq. Focus on the Pre-condition stuff and that McCain knows more about the world and "strategy."

Demcrats; Focus on the "You were wrong." Same foreign policy ideas as Bush with the silent treatment. McCain saying he would be all for suspending spending not tied to defense especially when defense is the bulk of what the country spends on. The earmarking, particularly the Bear DNA thing...since Palin has one for the mating habits of crabs and I think another for the DNA of something.

Candidate appearance:

McCain: Seemed strong at first like he'd be ready for a fight but soon turned into a curmudgeonly condescending troll of a man who never once addressed the people, even when he was using his stump speech talking points. Never once looked at Obama or had a dialogue with him. Had that evil little smirk which honestly he should just stop smiling all together. Seriously. Fuck dude, get some crest whitening strips or see a goddamn dentist.

Obama: A bit aggressive at the start but settled into a good image I thought. He seemed more at ease there than McCain did. He did a better job of expressing his thoughts so most people could understand. Seemed much more Presidential. Like, I would be fine with that dude meeting foreign leaders and being our image to the world.

For me, what bothered me the most was McCain constantly saying Sen. Obama doesn't understand...and naivete. It was almost like he was saying, this guy doesn't understand and you(Voters) probably don't either if you believe diplomacy on any level is better than issuing pre-conditions which amount to ultimatums resulting in no talking whatsoever.

[Kindnugs]

Originally Posted by Jedite

Basically all network polls have Obama winning the debate, with Fox saying it was a tie. This is bad news for McCain Campaign.

Where the hell are you getting this info from? I was watching Fox news and they had McCain winning by like 83 or something percent. And then I switched over to MSNBC and everyone, to my not believing, said that McCain won.

[Itzena]

Um, look six posts up?
Once the more objective of the pundits start seeing which way the polls are trendings, they'll change their tunes on "who won?" because that isn't actually answered by "Who did better in the debate?" but rather "Who had more of the public react favourable to him after the debate?"

[SalaciousTunare]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

This has probably been posted but worth posting again. The Palin pick should have ended McCain's candidacy.

Jesus fucking holy hell rofl

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

Where the hell are you getting this info from? I was watching Fox news and they had McCain winning by like 83 or something percent. And then I switched over to MSNBC and everyone, to my not believing, said that McCain won.

shhhh.

Debate Wrap: FOX Forum Contributors React to the First Presidential Debate « FOX Forum « FOXNews.com

Round 1 in debates goes to Obama, poll says - CNN.com



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Early thoughts: Both on message - First Read - msnbc.com



Where do you get your news? Mars?

[Astrocreep]

Mccain is all about bipartisanship and obama is a clear cut partisan. it should have been clear for dems that they can have their cake and eat it too with mccain. cuz he will lick their ass and still do a much better job at keeping america safe than dumbo the camp counsellor

[Zulutu]

Possibly a repost, but Ari Melber owns a Palin apologist:

[Vandyn]

I thought it was a draw despite what early polling is saying. Even some of those news organizations are saying there is some democratic bias in the polls since they believe more democrats watched than republicans. Couple of things I came away with:

1) With all that happened in the past week, I thought McCain needed a clear win which he didn't get.

2) I liked that Obama stood his ground, never getting too riled up and getting some jabs in the process.

3) The two things that I thought would happen didn't. I thought Obama would kill McCain on the economy, which he didn't. I thought McCain would kill Obama on the foreign policy and he didn't.

4) I don't think the debate gave any more info on either candidate to sway a majority of independents. Dems and Reps are gonna vote for their party regardless on how the debate went, but almost all the analysis I've seen so far shows that most didn't come away with any definitive reason to vote one way or the other.

With all that, I think Obama did what he needed to do. He stayed on message and he didn't get rattled. McCain did a whole lot better than I thought he would although I don't think he's gonna get extra votes out of it (at this point). I think Obama had an opportunity to make this a slam dunk (especially on the economy) and he didn't do it. Not that it may mean anything in the long run but perhaps it's like a sports analogy. You're up by 10 pts in football and your dominating play but at halftime, you're still up by 10 pts where you should of been up by 21.

[Cybsled]

The funny thing about the 3 million dollar bear DNA study is it was actually geared towards seeing if the population had recovered enough in the bears so they could delist it's endagerment status in that state, thus allowing companies to develop various areas of the land (such as mining, drilling for oil, etc), which in turn could reap hundreds of millions. Which actually fits with McCain's agenda.

But I guess it sounds better as a sound bite when there's no context and it comes across as if it's %100 pointless. It also makes him come across as someone who doesn't even go beyond "ZOMG EARMARK PORK!!!" and figure out what it was REALLY for.

[Frax]

Drunk Biden saying dumb things. I believe Coal is the single largest natural resource in America, saying we won't be building more coal plants (along with not being in favor of more nuclear plants), is an extremely uniformed position to take.






Stand up, Chuck! (BTW chuck is in a wheel chair)




Also "he has a much higher IQ than you!" and apparently liked flat out when answering the first question about how he finished in college.
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