McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden - Page 453

Eomer · 09-25-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Badass

This is becoming dangerous. No one on either side of the aisle can deny it. No red blooded American can deny it. Governor Palin should not have been placed on the republican ticket. McCain should have chosen Romney. She is truly dangerously unqualified to lead this country. I do not blame her and it is not her fault. I do blame McCain because her selection is legitimately putting our country at risk.

That's pretty fucking embarassing. Holy shit. She cannot, for the life of her, come up with any justication for the campaign's claims regarding her "foreign policy experience" as governor of Alaska due to it's proximity with Russia. Nothing whatsoever.

At least she threw Canada in to the mix, though. Course, she can't demonstrate she's ever been involved with any negotiations or issues with Canada either. I mean fuck, she could probably have rolled out some bullshit about pipelines, at the very least. Goddamn.

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Originally Posted by IRB

It is very crazy how Conservatives think. You simply would not believe it.

ugh, it makes me ill to agree with your crazy ass, but it's true. Wasn't there an article linked in this thread that showed that when Conservatives were shown clear evidence that a claim from McCain was actually false, they actually hardened their resolve and believed in the false claim even more?

Arbitrary · 09-25-2008, 01:13 PM

Jim Cramer is just awful.

Eomer · 09-25-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Jim Cramer is just awful.

No shit. I wouldn't use a goddamn thing that guy says to back myself up. There's far better people saying many of the same things that have a lot more credibility than he does. Didn't he tell everyone that Bear Stearns was fine? Jesus fuck, now he's the goddamn Nostradumbass?

Araxen · 09-25-2008, 01:17 PM

I'm at work so I can't post them, but there are video's on youtube that shows how horrible Jim Cramer is.

TheMarauder · 09-25-2008, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

ugh, it makes me ill to agree with your crazy ass, but it's true. Wasn't there an article linked in this thread that showed that when Conservatives were shown clear evidence that a claim from McCain was actually false, they actually hardened their resolve and believed in the false claim even more?

Many Conservatives are crazy like that. They call it 'patriotism'.

I've known some that deny the Iran-Contra affair. Because Reagan said so.

Zhaun's_Shade · 09-25-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Jim Cramer is just awful.

I like him, but he isn't the only one saying it. I remember seeing him and some old white guy talking about it the other day and I just can't remember the old white guys name to look him up.

Etoille · 09-25-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

I like him, but he isn't the only one saying it. I remember seeing him and some old white guy talking about it the other day and I just can't remember the old white guys name to look him up.

Youre right.

The other old white guy saying it is a guy who also used fear to start the Iraq war who was "really close to being able to attacking us with all those WMD's."

You are the worst kind of hypocrite. You rail against the bush administration for selling this country on the Iraq war using fear but when they do it again you lap it up and ask "please sir may I have another."

ugh.

btw has anyone else been real impressed with chris dodd's handling of this whole situation?

chaos · 09-25-2008, 01:23 PM

That interview with Palin is just getting worse and worse, my lord. And Biden... heh, that shit was just awful to watch.

Vandyn · 09-25-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Etoille

how....HOW THE FUCK is it not her fault???

thats the EXACT same attitude that is the problem with this whole "mortgage victim" mentality. "Its not my fault, they dangled the dream of having a house in front of me!"

someone comes to you and says "we'd like to nominate you for this really important job that requires lots of knowledge, preparation, and experience" its not your fault if you dont take the time to figure out that youre not qualified?

REALLY???????????

man if its one thing Palins still not short on its ppl making excuses for her.

If someone offered me, as a foot surgeon, 100,000k to do brain surgery on them and I accepted it, knowing I wasn't a surgeon, and I fucked it up, would you seriously ONLY blame the patient?

I agree with you to a point, she should of known what her limitations were and understand that running for VP of the US isn't the same as running for mayor of small town or even running for Governor. There's no shame in turning down the request, I'm sure it's happened a hell of a lot in this country's history.

That being said, there should be equal if not more blame on McCain. It is McCain's (and the people around him) responsibility to know who he's picking, what that person's strong and weak points are, what baggage (if any) they have and the positives and negatives of chosing that person to be on the ticket. Perhaps he puts too much confidence in his people, that they would be able to train someone into a seasoned politician in one month.

His campaign has been so focused on the Hillary aspect of this whole entire thing (remember his ads on Hillary before the DNC) that he figured he could get a token woman on the ticket and people would hand him the election. Makes me wonder, if Hillary won the nomination, does he select a black VP candidate?

Astrocreep · 09-25-2008, 01:26 PM

this election is over, Obama has won. you guys should be celebrating cuz there is no way Obama can lose at this point!

right?

Etoille · 09-25-2008, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Vandyn

I agree with you to a point, she should of known what her limitations were and understand that running for VP of the US isn't the same as running for mayor of small town or even running for Governor. There's no shame in turning down the request, I'm sure it's happened a hell of a lot in this country's history.

That being said, there should be equal if not more blame on McCain. It is McCain's (and the people around him) responsibility to know who he's picking, what that person's strong and weak points are, what baggage (if any) they have and the positives and negatives of chosing that person to be on the ticket. Perhaps he puts too much confidence in his people, that they would be able to train someone into a seasoned politician in one month.

His campaign has been so focused on the Hillary aspect of this whole entire thing (remember his ads on Hillary before the DNC) that he figured he could get a token woman on the ticket and people would hand him the election. Makes me wonder, if Hillary won the nomination, does he select a black VP candidate?

i said "would you ONLY blame the patient" for a reason :P ive stated several times that its incredibly damaging to mccains reputation as a wizened experienced decision maker/leader that he picked her.

chaos · 09-25-2008, 01:27 PM

McCain picked her. He could have picked anyone on Earth, and he picked her. It's his fucking fault. There will always be geniuses, stupid people, and the C students in between. It's not for us to judge, I don't think Stephen Hawking posts on this board. But it is the leadership decision that McCain made which is called into question with the actions and statements of Palin.

Etoille · 09-25-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chaos

That interview with Palin is just getting worse and worse, my lord. And Biden... heh, that shit was just awful to watch.

like the palin interview is a joke. like its something that id EXPECT to see on SNL (palins answers).

seriously, its like a fucking satire.

im reminded of some movie with kirsten dunst, denise richards and kirstie allie about a pageant in MN which was a spoof...thats seriously what her talking reminds me of.

personally im of the opinion that mccain suspending his campaign was not only a political grandstand manuever....but it hasn't really caught fire in the press that hes asking for palins to be moved back too.

the mccain ppl didnt realize just how fucking dumb palin was and now theyre like FUCK she cant handle katie fucking couric she'll be eaten alive in a debate....mccain suspending his campaign also served to take the spotlight off the request to move the VP debate back.

chaos · 09-25-2008, 01:30 PM

Pretty much like Matt Damon said, it's like a bad Disney movie, where the plucky hockey mom charms herself into America's heart and then stares down the evil dictator, using some of the folksy stuff she learned around the hockey ring. It is absurd.

earthfell · 09-25-2008, 01:31 PM

After what happened in 2000?

Who knows how many counties will rig their polls, or how many blacks will be told "er... actually you cant vote cuz uhhh... yeah"

Unfortunately you can't dismiss this, either. Ridiculous too, as this is America.

View Poll Results: Who do you think will win the 2008 Presidential Election?
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Obama/Biden	1,131	64.37%
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09-25-2008, 01:23 PM	#6788 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,360 +31 Internets	That interview with Palin is just getting worse and worse, my lord. And Biden... heh, that shit was just awful to watch.

09-25-2008, 01:26 PM	#6790 (permalink)
Astrocreep Flings doodoo and poopoo Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 6,228	this election is over, Obama has won. you guys should be celebrating cuz there is no way Obama can lose at this point! right?

09-25-2008, 01:27 PM	#6792 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,360 +31 Internets	McCain picked her. He could have picked anyone on Earth, and he picked her. It's his fucking fault. There will always be geniuses, stupid people, and the C students in between. It's not for us to judge, I don't think Stephen Hawking posts on this board. But it is the leadership decision that McCain made which is called into question with the actions and statements of Palin.

09-25-2008, 01:30 PM	#6794 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,360 +31 Internets	Pretty much like Matt Damon said, it's like a bad Disney movie, where the plucky hockey mom charms herself into America's heart and then stares down the evil dictator, using some of the folksy stuff she learned around the hockey ring. It is absurd.

09-25-2008, 01:31 PM	#6795 (permalink)
earthfell The clouds are my friends. Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 989	After what happened in 2000? Who knows how many counties will rig their polls, or how many blacks will be told "er... actually you cant vote cuz uhhh... yeah" Unfortunately you can't dismiss this, either. Ridiculous too, as this is America.