McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Designz]

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

How does McCain get away with saying, and I quote, "She [Palin] knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America."

Energy is complicated in 2 ways. One is simply the study of what energy is, of which I am 100% sure she has never received formal education.

The second part would be the commodity trade of energy. Again, where did she learn anything about it? And isn't McCain's statement a slap in the face to those who have spent their entire adult lives studying one or both of those issues as opposed to a woman who apparently earned her doctorate by simple proximity to oil pipelines over the 20 months she has been governor of Alaska.

I hate being spoken to like I'm a child. I've heard her talk, she isn't an expert in anything but bullshit. In fact, I think I've studied the issue enough to conclude that "drill, baby, drill" is the view point of very few people who truely understand what is going on.

Don't worry, we've already established that McCain and Palin are BS machines.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

How does McCain get away with saying, and I quote, "She [Palin] knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America."

Energy is complicated in 2 ways. One is simply the study of what energy is, of which I am 100% sure she has never received formal education.

The second part would be the commodity trade of energy. Again, where did she learn anything about it? And isn't McCain's statement a slap in the face to those who have spent their entire adult lives studying one or both of those issues as opposed to a woman who apparently earned her doctorate by simple proximity to oil pipelines over the 20 months she has been governor of Alaska.

I hate being spoken to like I'm a child. I've heard her talk, she isn't an expert in anything but bullshit. In fact, I think I've studied the issue enough to conclude that "drill, baby, drill" is the view point of very few people who truely understand what is going on.

She had been appointed to the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission for a year in 2003, she resigned due to ethics issues with the Republicans on the commission, apparently. I had assumed that when McCain tried to pimp her as an expert in energy, that is the experience he is refering to. Doesn't change much but at least it has the words "oil and gas" in it.

[whatsamattau]

Funny how the conservatives disappeared when McCain's poll numbers bottomed out.

Please, defend your energy genius.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

If Alabama decides to go with creationism the federal government has no constitutionally granted authority to do anything.

*cough* 14th amendment *cough* 1st amendment *cough* separation doctrine *cough* federal funds *cough*

let me quarterback this for you. hold onto your internet lawyer armchair handles.


The 14th amendment incorporation doctrine applied all of the amendments to the states.

This means a state cannot infringe upon your right to say i dunno freedom of religion.

If you want to worship a head of cabbage a school cannot make you learn about a states version of religion in school. (PS we're using TODAYS version of the separation of church and state doctrine - at the time of the framers states absolutely could have state established religion. but that also was before you guessed it the 14th amendment).

so all it takes is ONE fucker (this is the same fucker that brings us such recent decisions in cases where a nondenominational prayer was said before a graduation ceremony where students were merely ASKED to stand and the court said the school doing that was unconstitutional) and yes the USSC will find that the school improperly violated the students rights ORRRRRRRRR

the parents rights to raise their child how they see fit in terms of religious ideals. you of ALL fucking people should know about Wisconsin v. Yoder. and familial privacy is a premium.

not to mention even if we DONT go that route - many states receive federal funding for their education budget. again what happened in your state arbitrary with the drinking age and infrastructure money? the difference is that the federal government would have a CONSTITUTIONAL problem in giving federal funds to schools in which religion was mandatory as part of the curriculum.

so even if no one brought suit (highly HIGHLY unlikely), or even if someone brought suit and lost (would never happen because of what i just laid out for you), the state would lose all federal education moneys for public institutions and thats not something ANY school system could afford to do.

i can think of 3 constitutional problems off the top of my head. the 10th amendment does not give a state carte blanche to do wtfever it pleases.

[Schatze]

As the rest of the world watches, a single question resounds in 5.9 billion minds. "How the fuck can the polls STILL be hovering around the MOE?"

[Szlia]

Originally Posted by MrSpitz

Did you even read that? I mean... what? Ethnic cleansing is not population shifting.

Actually...

Originally Posted by wikipedia

The term ethnic cleansing has been variously defined. In the words of Andrew Bell-Fialkoff:

Drazen Petrovic has distinguished between broad and narrow definitions. Broader definitions focus on the fact of expulsion based on ethnic criteria, while narrower definitions include additional criteria: for example, that expulsions are systematic, illegal, involve gross human-rights abuses, or are connected with an ongoing internal or international war. According to Petrovic:

The official United Nations definition of ethnic cleansing is "rendering an area ethnically homogeneous by using force or intimidation to remove from a given area persons of another ethnic or religious group"[5]

However, ethnic cleansing rarely aims at complete ethnic homogeneity. The common practice is the removal of stigmatized ethnic groups, and thus can be defined as "the forcible removal of an ethnically defined population from a given territory", occupying the middle part of a somewhat fuzzy continuum between nonviolent pressured ethnic emigration and genocide.[6]

So yeah, it is pretty interesting.

[Lleauaric~EW]

Polls are flawed this election cycle.

Watch. Its not even going to be close in most of the swing states.

Likely Voter polls are skewed, as the number of voters will most likely be the highest we have ever seen. The models that pollsters are using are useless if you have no idea what the size of the thing is you are taking a sample of.

Im still thinking Obama will carry 310-330 EV when its all said and done.

[Araxen]

Why do people put so much faith into polls? They've been wrong since 2004 and earlier. They couldn't even get the exit polling right for the 2004 Election. It showed Kerry winning handily and Bush ended up winning. The whole system is flawed as it hasn't kept pace with how people use their phones now. How many poll Cell phones now? How many people see "Political Poll" show up on their caller id and don't pick up the phone? That's a couple flaws in polling now.

Obama could be up 10 points or 10 points down for all we know.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Araxen

They couldn't even get the exit polling right for the 2004 Election. It showed Kerry winning handily and Bush ended up winning.

This could be interpreted 2 ways, it doesn't necessarily mean the exit polling was wrong. But that's not really a subject conducive to rational discussion.

[Snugglebear]

I can't believe you lameasses have 40 minutes to waste watching a video. Then again...

With the polls nearly even, I'm scurred. The public radio here did one of those unbiased interviews with multiple random people. A lot of dumb white rednecks still believe Obama is a Muslim. Or they don't believe he represents rural white Americans. Only two people would vote for Obama out of all those interviews: one was half black, the other was some old black woman. Of the white folks here, I'd say a good percentage of them are using anything as an excuse not to vote for the black guy. And a few just don't care and come right out and say they won't vote for a black guy. If West Virginia can be used as a bellweather for the rest of the states with large populations of retarded broke white people, the Democrats are in trouble.

[chaos]

Dude I pretty much only post from work, I have plenty of free time. And OF COURSE West Virginia can't be used as a bellweather... I'm not trying to get all IRB here, but it's WEST FUCKING VIRGINIA.

[Lleauaric~EW]

All you need to know about that John Stossel video is in the first 30 seconds.

A mother comes on and says "My Son is 18, and he isn't reading!"

Yeah.... the time to worry about that was 14 years ago, fucking dumbass.

[Schatze]

2004 using a standard sample size assuming an unskewed sample of the parent population was within the MOE. However, since no sample in real life is ever perfectly representative of the parent population, expect to see polls get stuff wrong. The hard part of polling is developing a model to convert your sample population into a distribution that is close enough to the parent population.

SUSA/Gallup have had the best methodology/sampling this season, and they're polling Obama/Biden just outside the MOE for McCain/Palin. Which really makes half of America, the rest of the world wonder what the other 45% of Americans have been huffing.

[MrSpitz]

Originally Posted by Szlia

Actually...



So yeah, it is pretty interesting.

Dude the point totally sailed over your head.


It's a fucking yahoo news article by one of their own editors who is utilizing a negative term that to the average reader evokes awful images and a revolting tone toward Iraq. They could have easily used 'Sunni population displacements away from traditional cities, which are Shiite dominated, have been instrumental in lowering the violence'. Notice how different that is without the terms 'ethnic cleansing'?


So that's great that the technical definition has some lee way but that's not applicable to the article or its strategy, or why its shitty.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Etoille

A whole bunch of big girl talk

That's really great and all except I was talking about a hypothetical Alabama teaching creationism and earthfell was talking about a hypothetical school having bible class.

That's where the disconnect happened. You even quoted me saying creationism and went off on a tangent about worship.