McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by chaos

That is the same guy who got rolled by Campbell Brown on CNN, he is a fucking toolbox and needs to be relieved immediately.

Is there a better way he could be able to defend his campaign lying?

[Eyashusa]

Originally Posted by Zora

Am I imagining things? Losing my mind?



YouTube - Fox's Megyn Kelly Grills Tucker Bounds On False Tax Claims

Edit: there's more. She also grilled him about the sex ed ad. Here's the whole segment--

Fox's Megyn Kelly Works Over McCain Flack

She'll probably be fired by the end of the day. Maybe not because she's pretty.

Also sexism, liberal media, etc.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Is there a better way he could be able to defend his campaign lying?

You blame someone else for starters. His best defense was that we had no reason to trust Obama. It's all he said over and over. My campaign's voice needs to be way slicker than that.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Heylel

Which are all great options. The problem is that manufacturing *is* a necessary skill set, it's just not one anyone cares to learn anymore, and the infrastructure to support learning is drying up fast.

Actually, no. For the most part manufacturing jobs are considered to be unskilled labor. Working at an assembly line attaching the same parts over and over again, for weeks and months on end is not a skilled job. And that's the problem with all the factory closures in both the US and Canada: those workers are used to being paid very good wages, and suddenly when they lose that job they are left with virtually zero skills that are transferable.

Sure a typical factory is going to have millrights, electricians, plumbers and so on that work on the machinery and those guys will do fine no matter what. But a typical factory worker is NOT skilled in any realistic way. I feel bad for the flood of guys coming West from Windsor and around that area looking for work. They've been making 25, 30 bucks an hour with fantastic benefits and all of the sudden they're making 15 bucks an hour doing heavy labor, starting at the bottom rung of a trade. The good news is that it'll only take them 4-5 years, if they have their shit together, to get back to where they were. But it's unfortunate that in a lot of cases they pissed away 10 or 20 years working in a plant, learning no useful skills.

The fact of the matter is, manufacturing is not a lynch pin of a modern economy anymore. The problem is, when people hear "service based economy" they instantly think that "service" means being a waiter or retail store worker, when in fact "services" include everything from health care, to information technology, to lawyers and finance, and so on.

McCain was right, those jobs are gone and they're not coming back. People need to realize that working in a factory 8 hours a day for 20 years is no longer a viable career path in today's modern economies. And if they don't, they're going to be left behind.

Originally Posted by MrSpitz

Bill Clinton signed Bush's NAFTA document into law. He supported it but it's not like he architectured it with the other nations. Since then which party has been more vehemently opposed to it and for protectionist trade? Thanks.

Most of the groundwork was laid by Reagan and Mulroney in the late 80's in the bilateral trade agreement. NAFTA basically just included Mexico and tweaked the framework. And yes I agree, people who are critical of NAFTA are idiots, for the most part it's been phenomenally beneficial for all three members. Free trade is a good thing, not a bad one.

[Designz]

Ahhh!! The economy is dying. When do we run on the banks?

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Is there a better way he could be able to defend his campaign lying?

As Arbitrary already mentioned examples of, yes. His job is to lie for his campaign and to defend their bullshit tactics. That's what guys like him do, and he fucking sucks at it.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by chaos

As Arbitrary already mentioned examples of, yes. His job is to lie for his campaign and to defend their bullshit tactics. That's what guys like him do, and he fucking sucks at it.

See, I'm just silly in thinking campaigns just shouldn't lie about something 30seconds of Google would prove untrue.

[Designz]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

See, I'm just silly in thinking campaigns just shouldn't lie about something 30seconds of Google would prove untrue.

Too bad the majority of America don't care whether the truth is being told!

[Gilgamel]

McCain is gaining in the national but not the important swing states. If he's going to run a dirty campaign he should at the very least run one that appeals to the states he needs to win. Right now he's ahead in the national but losing pretty handily to Obama electorally.

[Simas]

Carly Fiorina has come out and called Tina Fey's portrayal of Palin, you guessed it, sexist. No embed link on the video.

Originally Posted by Fiorina

Well, I think that she looked a bit like her. I think that, of course, the portrait was very dismissive of the substance of Sarah Palin, and so in that sense, they were defining Hillary Clinton as very substantive, and Sarah Palin as totally superficial. I think that continues the line of argument that is disrespectful in the extreme, and yes, I would say, sexist in the sense that just because Sarah Palin has different views than Hillary Clinton does not mean that she lacks substance. She has a lot of substance.

[Etoille]

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 09/11/2008 | Critics: Under Palin, Wasilla charged rape victims for exam

Jacob Alperin-Sheriff: New Evidence: Palin Had Direct Role In Charging Rape Victims For Exams


This is just gross.

Not surprised though that a woman who would make a rape victim carry a baby (shes against ALL forms of abortion - even when the mothers life is at stake...but gets on how many plane rides while in PREMATURE labor????) would also make a woman pay to prove she was raped. And because shes a republican she then gets to get away with calling herself a feminist.


Seriously I was lukewarm about McCain - I friggin hate Sarah "Jesus told us to go to war" Palin.

You know I almost want "small town we're so much better than you elitists on the coasts america" and the bitter women in this country to elect McCain-Palin.

That way when peoples daughters in alabama, kentucky, west virginia etc get knocked up and their families cant afford to fly them to Canada or elsewhere to have an abortion, they'll have to walk around town with the shame of having a pregnant unmarried daughter in their little bible belt fanatical communities. And then theyll have to explain why the girls first cousin/brother/uncle is the one paying child support too.

Or theyll have one done illegally and either get arrested or die on the table. Either way its Darwinism.

Me? If my daughter ever needed my help or if my sons girlfriend came to me in need (I'd in NO way ever pressure EITHER my daughter or my sons girlfriend), I'll be able to afford to fly them out of the country.

Cant wait til small town america fucks itself over. Right down to the factory towns voting for a party that sends its jobs overseas.

[TheMarauder]

This is looking quite good.

[Gilgamel]

Serious question Etoille. She has said her personal beliefs are that abortion in all cases are wrong. Do you find it so terrible that that is a nonstarter for you, or would you still consider the candidate if he or she did not make that a campaign issue and had never given an indication that he or she would ever translate that personal belief into governmental action?

Personally there are a lot of politicians who hold beliefs I abhor, but as long as it's not part of their platform I don't really care. This is not about Sarah Palin in particular, I'm just wondering where people draw the line between the person and the politician.

I personally think Roe v Wade was a disaster of a decision, and that states should make their own decisions, but if I ever ran for office that wouldn't be an issue I would push or even bring up if I didn't have to, because to me that is not an issue of paramount importance.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Simas

Carly Fiorina has come out and called Tina Fey's portrayal of Palin, you guessed it, sexist. No embed link on the video.

Links at all?

[Simas]

Originally Posted by Draegan

Links at all?

Carly Fiorina Criticizes Tina Fey As "Disrespectful...Sexist"

Video is in thurr