McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[emoo]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Between the military objectives and the political objectives, Iraq approaches closer to true victory every day with a 90% reduction in violence last month alone.

Link please

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Mimirswell

More likely, you are simply trolling for someone to lay them out so you can retort when they go with the full Democratic spin and you can argue the spin without having to directly address the facts.

Yeah, that's about right.

Does the bridge exist? Palin's campaign was frought with the drama of her epic struggle with not just ONE former Alaskan governor, but with TWO. Her offhand acceptance of the bridge in an interview is among one of the many promises that she made. It's also one of the ones where she did in fact deliver. The bridge WAS cancelled, and she DID express her objection to it by explaining her desire to build the ferry instead. The ferry was in fact purchased and the savings distributed to other state projects. To the glowing approval of her constituents.

She never said she sold the jet on Ebay, like you said. And she corrected McCain and campaign staffers from implying she sold it. The Jet was in fact sold.

There are others, including her position on "raising funding for special needs kids" and teen pregnancies, which have been substantiated this weekend.

Now, care to elucidate on Obama's CATALOG OF DECEPTIONS? Where do you want to start? His voting record? Ayers? Rezko?

Originally Posted by emoo

Link please

Al sadr ordered his militia to disband and reorganized them as a social services group that works alongside government and even american elements in Sadr City's reconstruction.

I was wrong about a 90% reduction across the last month. Apparently the 90% reductions in violence is throughout the LAST YEAR.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by gn0me

lol has this been posted yet?

LOL... what a disgusting ad. And McCain wants to 'change' Washington. Riiiiight. I like how they try to make Obama look like a sexual predator at the end.

Also, here is the bill that "teaches kindergartners about sex" if you are interested in learning the facts about the bill.

*edit* already posted, damn you guys are fast

[Lleauaric~EW]

She never said she sold the jet on Ebay, like you said. And she corrected McCain and campaign staffers from implying she sold it. The Jet was in fact sold.

For a loss =/

Another that needs addressing is that even though the Bridge wasnt built... Alaska kept 300 Million and simply put it to other projects...

Setting The Record: Palin's Earmarks, CBS Evening News: Reality Checking The Alaska Governor's "Bridge To Nowhere" Claims - CBS News

After a year of supporting the proposed bridge, near Ketchikan, Gov. Palin pulled state funds from the project, which killed the bridge for good, but she never said "no thanks" to the Federal funds promised by Congress -- $233 million.

In fact, here's the list of how Palin is spending those federal tax dollars - on other highway projects around Alaska. As a candidate for governor, she defended every dollar for roads and bridges the state could wrangle from Washington, according to the Congressional Record and the Alaska Department of Transportation.

"I'm not going to stand in the way of progress that our Congressional delegation in the position of strength that they have right now, they are making those efforts for the state of Alaska," Palin said.

[CnCGOD]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

For a loss =/

Another that needs addressing is that even though the Bridge wasnt built... Alaska kept 300 Million and simply put it to other projects...

Setting The Record: Palin's Earmarks, CBS Evening News: Reality Checking The Alaska Governor's "Bridge To Nowhere" Claims - CBS News

Stop the presses... a used jet sold for less than a new one?? TRAVESTY I TELL YOU!

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

For a loss =/

Another that needs addressing is that even though the Bridge wasnt built... Alaska kept 300 Million and simply put it to other projects...

Setting The Record: Palin's Earmarks, CBS Evening News: Reality Checking The Alaska Governor's "Bridge To Nowhere" Claims - CBS News

Sure, a 500k loss. But the state recovered the MAJORITY of its cash and got rid of a wasteful symbol of corruption.

How much did Chicago's poorest citizens recover from the MILLIONS of defaulted contracts that Obama personally advocated into Rezko's coffers IN WRITING?

Do you see where this is going yet?

[gn0me]

This election is just beginning to get nasty. Now McCain's campaign is accusing Obama of calling Palin a "pig." McCain's camp immediately feigned outrage and played the gender card.

[Smocca]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Well, do EITHER of you have specifics of what these "rote lies" she's been repeating? I haven't seen her at all, McCain stormed by Chicago, pulled a 5-million dollar fundraiser check, and left.

If it's something about Obama's education, healthcare and fiscal experience, that comes down to ideology, and I can see why you'd think she's lying.

What the hell man? We did this just 2 days ago. She is repeating a number of lies and we listed them out specifically. If I were you I'd be cutting and pasting my own posts every page but instead I'll just give you a few links again.

Attacks, praise stretch truth at GOP convention - Yahoo! News
FactCheck.org: GOP Convention Spin, Part II

Top few Google hits. Search for 10 more seconds if you want more.

The true bullshit coming from her, though, is the impression she is trying to give off. Its the same one you have tried to create here. The one that she is a fiscal conservative who actually attempts to reduce spending. That she doesn't game the system like every single other corrupt republican asshole in office right now.

6000 people got 27 MILLION dollars in earmarks when she was their mayor. She hired Alaska's first professional lobbyist and received many, many millions more in earmarks for Alaska as a result. She didn't just support the Bridge to Nowhere and then flip flop like any other bullshit politician would do when the position became unpopular, she gamed the system again by keeping the earmarked money.

MCCAIN SPECIFICALLY CITED HER BULLSHIT EARMARKS AS EXAMPLES OF PORK BARREL SPENDING.

McCain had criticized earmarks from Palin - Los Angeles Times

And finally her bullshit energy policy which is so far off the mark that she is literally quoted as saying "We can drill our way out" of this energy crisis. Why would she distort the truth so much? Oh that's right, because her popularity as governor is directly tied to how much money she can get her citizens in oil revenue. She is a disgusting example of everything wrong with our politics. Every time she gives another version of her lie filled bullshit speech this country dies a little.

Originally Posted by BULLSHITTING TYPICAL POLITICIAN

I beg to disagree with any candidate who would say we can't drill our way out of our problem

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Alaska's 'Frustrated' Governor Palin On Our 'Nonsensical' Energy Policy

[Sinter1]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Between the military objectives and the political objectives, Iraq approaches closer to true victory every day with a 90% reduction in violence last month alone.

And what VAST trove of evidence have you provided that it remains a disaster again? Oh right you have SHIT.

You of all people I didn't expect such bullshit from. Your buddies McCain and Bush were calling that a victory in 2003. It's a fucking OCCUPATION of a sovereign nation. We're fucking colonizing it but we can't call it that since it is against the Geneva Convention. It's amazing how someone who is pretty damn spot on for certain things can be so fucking blind and far off on other subjects.

Btw, find it funny someone from my school's conservative publication just wrote an article about Ayers and Khalidi and their connection to Obama... coincidence?

[headspace]

I have had a lot of time to mull the issues over, and I am not really strongly opinionated about most of them one way or the other. That being said, there is one line from Sarah Palin's speech at the RNC that I cannot get out of my head.

Al-Qaida terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights?

I can't understand why she hasn't gotten more shit for that line yet. That is some straight up 1984, scary as fuck, fascist bullshit. There is no way i can support someone who wants to bypass due process.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Khorum

She never said she sold the jet on Ebay, like you said. And she corrected McCain and campaign staffers from implying she sold it. The Jet was in fact sold.

Oops, she didn't say it. McCain did: YouTube - Debunking Palin's Jet Sold on eBay Story on CNN

So no, she wasn't lying there. Just being deceptive I guess.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Sure, a 500k loss. But the state recovered the MAJORITY of its cash and got rid of a wasteful symbol of corruption.

Wasn't the jet needed for transporting prisoners?

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Sure, a 500k loss. But the state recovered the MAJORITY of its cash and got rid of a wasteful symbol of corruption.

How much did Chicago's poorest citizens recover from the MILLIONS of defaulted contracts that Obama personally advocated into Rezko's coffers IN WRITING?

Do you see where this is going yet?

Personally Advocated = wrote a letter in support of.

Millions = $800,000

I like you Khorum. But you tend to present points like a fat guy in spandex... you stretch it to the point where its just wrong.

[Szlia]

The Weathermen were not unlike many other left wing activist groups around the globe during that period. They were a deplorable product of their deplorable time. It is certain though that many left wing sympathizers today still have ambiguous feelings about it all.

Ayers, who turned himself in almost 30 years ago, certainly no longer advocates for armed struggle. He even became a respectable university professor and chose to continue his political militantism through more mainstream channels, like helping a colleague to go into politics.

[Melchizedek]

Originally Posted by Badass

Maybe you are feeling a little flustered because you have the blood of 4,155 dead American service men on your hands? 4,155 dead americans = 500 rusted, inoperable mustard gas shells that were buried in the deserts and forgotten by even Saddam? The same old weapons we helped Iraq acquire in the first place to fight Iran?

Explain to me again why you want to invade Cuba? Didn't you argue that they would celebrate our invasion - much like you argued the Iraqi's would celebrate our invasion? Wanna explain that tough guy?

Before you invade Cuba - why don't we focus on killing Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al Zwahiri- how bout that. Remember them? Are they our allies too like you believe Moqtada Al Sadr is an ally? You guys are top notch. Brilliant. Keep up the good work - VOTE MCCAIN!

You are a certified dumb ass...

In Chicago alone there have been 3717 Murders since 2001. Source.

The only difference between Iraq and Chicago is... Well... Crime is up 18% in Chicago in the year 2008 and the regretful deaths of our brave soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines are going down in Iraq. There have been 4100+ soldiers who have died since 2001 (this includes both Afghanistan and Iraq) and there have been 3717 murders in Chicago alone since 2001. The blood on the hands of Mayor Daley (D) is stained a hell of a lot more than anyone in the military our President, yes your President than mine.

While the corrupt liberal mayor of Chicago continues to control Chicago, enslave the poor and make them rely on BIG GOVERNMENT, we have closed the rape rooms, have held free elections (2 in fact) where dead people couldn't vote, and have put Iraq on the track to a representative republic.

Finally, as someone who has hunted those two assholes you seek, you have no fucking clue of what is going on. And you know what??

You have no need to know how the hell we fight the war. There is oversite with liberals who see how we execute the war. It sucks they are not caught but when you have a country actively protecting them, well, its hard to catch. The world is a better place because we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.

The delicious irony is, you have to say it was a bad idea to invade Iraq. In saying so you have to say it is bad we closed those rape rooms. It is bad that those people had free elections. It is bad to see, for the first time in history, a real representative republic being born in the middle of a shit hole.

Dude, shut the fuck up and go back to school... son.