McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Warrian]

That's fine and dandy, but I was talking about those 3 people. I didn't say anything about the Republican party. Learn to read what I type. I know you're quick to lay blame on the Republican party, I already know that.

[Senen]

Well atleast we now know where all the retardation on the forums comes from with the heavy Democratic Bias as seen in this pole. All kidding aside the National poles have them pretty much dead even right now will be interesting to see where this all goes. Being ex military married with kids, I'm hopeing for Mcain/Palin to win. Something about the way Obama's campain has completely minupulated the system + the fact that he's done basicly nothing to change anything in his short tenure as a politician means to me that we can expect more of the same. As a parent seeing his latest add pushing for education which according to NBC, CNN, ABC seems to be his only real agenda. Personaly I don't think thats going to win it unless he comes out with some real genious ways to fix the countries problems aside from playing the economic card.

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Warrian

I blame the "roaring twenties" which created a major gap between the rich and the middle/working-class.

Inequality increases with Republicans in charge, and decreases with Democrats.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Soriak

Inequality increases with Republicans in charge, and decreases with Democrats.

Yeah free market economics increased inequality in Deng Xiaoping's China too. In the process it created so much prosperity that there is now a 310-million strong middle class where none existed during Mao's time.

In five years there will be more affluent middle-class Chinese than there are TOTAL Americans. In ten years there will be more middle-class Chinese than there will be TOTAL Europeans.

In twenty years, the free-market reforms that brought prosperity (and, yes, inequality) to China and Manmohan Singh's India will boast a middle-class consumer marketplace that will exceed the combined populations of the West. That's JUST their middle class brackets.

You KNOW that upward social mobility at that scale has transformed the lives of ALL the Chinese and Indians in those economies, rich __AND__ poor. The poor Indians today boast a better life than during the worst periods of the Permit Raj. The poor Chinese today are in far FAR better shape than even the wealthiest peasants during the Cultural Revolution.

And yet---INEXPLICABLY---Social-Democratic Europe and New-Deal America remain shackled by the same socialist obstructions that Deng Xiaoping and Manmohan Singh removed to make their economic miracles possible.

[Badass]

Originally Posted by Melchizedek

The war right now is needed. We have to take the fight to the enemy where ever they may be.

McCain understands this.

And you are voting republican? We have enemies alright. Al Qaeda chiefly...you know....the guys like Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al Zwahiri...the people responsible for attacking New York City and the Pentagon. Have you ever asked yourself why Bin Laden and Al Zwahiri are still FUCKING BREATHING? 7 years later and the Republican party still has not killed the most wanted terrorist on earth!!!! Unforgivable. Could you imagine if a democrat had been president for 7 years after 9/11 and had not killed OBL????????? Oh my god you right wingers would go nuts. ---

WHERE IS OSAMA BIN LADEN AND WHY HAVE YOU NOT KILLED HIM???

But hey.....like Khorum says.....we got those corroded, inoperable, buried and forgotten mustard gas shells left over from the Iraq-Iran war!!!! VICTORY!!!!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!! USA USA USA USA! Only 4,155 U.S. soldiers had to die. How do you sleep at night?

Two wars and 10 billion a month later and the TERRORISTS ARE STILL AT LARGE. Keep voting Republican though so they can....."take the fight to the enemy". Or maybe - just maybe - Obama will do as promised and chase Bin Laden into that cave in Pakistan that the REPUBLICANS ARE TOO FUCKING PUSSY to climb into.

Originally Posted by Republican brainwashed Limbaugh Baby

We simply cannot have a lib in the Oval Office nominating Ginsburgs and Breyers. That would be the biggest internal threat to the Republic. The next president will probably replace Ginsburg (She is very ill and I hope the best for her) and Justice Kennedy will retire. He is just hanging on and hoping for a lib president.

Abortion is your issue eh? Do me a favor atleast - if McCain wins can you atleast ask him put a Supreme Court Justice in that has the intellectual capacity to write his own opinions please? It is one thing to stack the Court with people who share your ideology, but can we not agree that they should at least be of base level intelligence? Scalia is a nutbag but atleast he is intelligent....Clarence Thomas is a absolute moron. I could be mistaken, but I do not believe he has ever disagreed with Scalia on one single opinion....EVER. He has never written a major opinion. He also refuses to engage in oral argument or questions and answer with attorney's because he doesn't want to embarrass himself. It's really sad to be honest.

[Explosivo]

Originally Posted by Senen

Well atleast we now know where all the retardation on the forums comes from with the heavy Democratic Bias as seen in this pole. All kidding aside the National poles have them pretty much dead even right now will be interesting to see where this all goes. Being ex military married with kids, I'm hopeing for Mcain/Palin to win. Something about the way Obama's campain has completely minupulated the system + the fact that he's done basicly nothing to change anything in his short tenure as a politician means to me that we can expect more of the same. As a parent seeing his latest add pushing for education which according to NBC, CNN, ABC seems to be his only real agenda. Personaly I don't think thats going to win it unless he comes out with some real genious ways to fix the countries problems aside from playing the economic card.

Irony?

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by Warrian

That's fine and dandy, but I was talking about those 3 people. I didn't say anything about the Republican party. Learn to read what I type. I know you're quick to lay blame on the Republican party, I already know that.

Do you know why I listed those 3 people? Did you stay awake in civics class?

Speaker of the House means that there was a Republican Majority in the House.
Senate Majority leader means there was a Republican Majority in the Senate.

Those three people are representative of one party domination of 2 branches of government.

[TheMarauder]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Yeah free market economics increased inequality in Deng Xiaoping's China too. In the process it created so much prosperity that there is now a 310-million strong middle class where none existed during Mao's time.

In five years there will be more affluent middle-class Chinese than there are TOTAL Americans. In ten years there will be more middle-class Chinese than there will be TOTAL Europeans.

In twenty years, the free-market reforms that brought prosperity (and, yes, inequality) to China and Manmohan Singh's India will boast a middle-class consumer marketplace that will exceed the combined populations of the West. That's JUST their middle class brackets.

You KNOW that upward social mobility at that scale has transformed the lives of ALL the Chinese and Indians in those economies, rich __AND__ poor. The poor Indians today boast a better life than during the worst periods of the Permit Raj. The poor Chinese today are in far FAR better shape than even the wealthiest peasants during the Cultural Revolution.

And yet---INEXPLICABLY---Social-Democratic Europe and New-Deal America remain shackled by the same socialist obstructions that Deng Xiaoping and Manmohan Singh removed to make their economic miracles possible.

America wasn't ruled by a dictator. Or an extreme-socialist country that followed the example of Stalin's degenerated worker's state.

You can't place the reason behind more social equality in China as free-market reform. The real reason is new leadership with differing progressive beliefs than that of Mao.

Sure in 20 years, there will be more middle-class Chinese. But what about the Chinese lower class at that time? Are they not also the victims of the free markets in China too and not just because of oppressive leadership?

[Tyen]

Every time CNN is on I ask, 'Why is this woman on my TV?'

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by TheMarauder

You can't place the reason behind more social equality in China as free-market reform. The real reason is new leadership with differing progressive beliefs than that of Mao.

I said that free market reforms brought INEQUALITY. Which it has. However, it has also realized the Chicago-School economic prediction of overall social mobility. Which is evident in China, India, Bolivia, Chile, Singapore, Indonesia and now Dubai.

Sorry, but Deng Xiaoping's market reforms were far FAR more free-market than practically any polity except Hong Kong. According to most indices of Market Freedoms, young startup entrepreneurs are almost twice as free from government taxation and cost controls than they would be in Sweden or France. And substantially more free than in Massachussetts.

And no, it wasn't just the "New" leadership. In fact, Hu Jintao is decided neoliberal with many regressionist policies under his belt. The true market miracle happened under one of the Long March's veterans: Deng Xiaoping.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Badass

VICTORY!!!!! MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!!! USA USA USA USA! Only 4,155 U.S. soldiers had to die. How do you sleep at night?

Those cyclosarin warheads were in much stronger concentrations than the Sarin used by Aum Shinrikyo in the Tokyo gas attacks. They were in the possession of a man and his military that have not ONLY expressed willingness to use them, but have in fact used them to murder 110,000 of his own people. We found them and seized them.

I sleep like a fucking baby.

When have YOU ever given a shit about the sacrifice of American soldiers except when applying that faux indignity to your cynical political opportunism? A lot of us have served around here, and yet the closest YOU'VE ever gotten to military service was when a National Guardsman acquainted his teargas canister with your forehead.

As if watching your cheap, kneejerk herd-mentality wasn't odious enough, now you expect anyone to believe that you've ever used the words DUTY, HONOR and SACRIFICE outside of the PUNCHLINES you share with your neck-bearded queerbait buddies at the Chomsky society?

And now you're gonna talk about being embarassed for other people?

LMFAO

Melchizedek's got nothing to be embarassed about, his points are spot on and he has substantiated his positions with facts, as opposed to your hackneyed imitation of a "college" wit who has YET to display the first fucking hint of a post-elementary education.

Stick to writing hamfisted reviews of your VIPPOWERREWARDS you preposterous little poseur.

[Warrian]

Ben Smith's Blog: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig' - Politico.com

I guess it's kinda like saying you can't polish a turd, right Obama?

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Warrian

Ben Smith's Blog: Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig' - Politico.com

I guess it's kinda like saying you can't polish a turd, right Obama?

They REALLY don't understand the risk do they? When McCain goes on the attack, it evokes the pugnacious asshole that stood up to his own party on Gay Marriage, who lashed out at George Bush in 2000 and 04...

When PALIN goes on the attack, they see how this MILF dismantled the most powerful political oligarchies in Alaska and managed to score a 84% approval rate for it...

When OBAMA goes on the attack, his nice-guy change mask comes off...

And this is timed with his O'Reilly interview about Ayers and Wright tonight (which apparently got ugly), for which the Obama campaign damage-control teams have been scrambling to arrange a soft-landing all weekend:

Oh fucking lol.

William Ayers is getting ready to out-Wright Jeremiah Wright. Ayers has decided to come out to defend his part in declaring war on America and Bombing the US Capitol, the Pentagon and many other Federal buildings as an avowed terrorist....with a comic:



It's important to note that his "bombs weren't meant to harm" bullshit is just that, since Ayers and his fellow terrorists designed ANTI-PERSONEL bombs that murdered policemen and many of their other bombings resulted in the deaths of bystanders and even some WUO members.

As far as Ayers' ridiculous delusion of the nobility of his terrorist group's actions, they were nothing more than base thugs. They took money from another radical group to break convicts out of prison and even participated on bank heists to bankroll their drug habits.

[Lleauaric~EW]

As if watching your cheap, kneejerk herd-mentality wasn't odious enough, now you expect anyone to believe that you've ever used the words DUTY, HONOR and SACRIFICE outside of the PUNCHLINES you share with your neck-bearded queerbait buddies at the Chomsky society?

Ill take Tom Cruise movies for 500 Alex!

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

Ill take Tom Cruise movies for 500 Alex!

And they say we're not in a culture war.