McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Melchizedek]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Weren't you just saying that Republicans were much better at the economy? Now you're saying that the president has very little effect on the economy? Ignorance at its finest! How dumb can you possibly be? Do you think it's just a coincedence the dollar hit historical lows and the deficit hit record highs under the Republican Presidency?

You are a dumb ass.

You know why Clinton didn't have wild ass spending?

It was the REPUBLICAN... no... the CONSERVATIVE congress lead by Mr. Newt and the Contract with America.

[Melchizedek]

Originally Posted by Mippo

It's fairly well documented....

Paul Craig Roberts: How Bush Destroyed the Dollar

Bush tanked the U.S. economy

Economists Explain: Bush Destroyed Our American Dream (Everyday Citizen)

nice chart
Everyone says congress controls purse strings. A CONSERVATIVE congress works. President Bush is a Republican, not a conservative..

[CnCGOD]

Originally Posted by Melchizedek

nice chart
Everyone says congress controls purse strings. A CONSERVATIVE congress works. President Bush is a Republican, not a conservative..

The best economies in history are those of a Democrat President with a Republican congress. Or Repub/Repub (which is less because the market likes status quo). Dem/Dem has some of the worst market years.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by CnCGOD

Dem/Dem has some of the worst market years.

It's like letting a pedophile loose in a preschool.

[Moontayle]

Obama looked like an idiot in that second oreilly clip. i like how people apologize for his stuttering by saying he is "well thought out." just admit he is a rubbish speaker when he doesnt have a script in front of him.

As opposed to who we have now and his successor who look like rubbish all the time? Oh hypocrisy, thou art doing well.

I'd rather the answers he gave than the usual canned responses you tend to here 90% of the time from everyone else. Or the made up bullshit that Hilarity came up with on occasion. Does it endear him to the people who expect quick, decisive answers? No. But we're not running a game show here, so quick answers aren't necessary.

[Lalala]

Originally Posted by Manseed

It's like letting a pedophile loose in a preschool.

or Mark Foley?

[Melchizedek]

Originally Posted by CnCGOD

The best economies in history are those of a Democrat President with a Republican congress. Or Repub/Repub (which is less because the market likes status quo). Dem/Dem has some of the worst market years.

I do not believe that. There are way to many liberals in the Republican party. I am a conservative first, a Republican second.

Could you imagine Reagan with Mr. Newt running the show in Congress? zOMFG EurPHoriA!

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Melchizedek

I do not believe that. There are way to many liberals in the Republican party. I am a conservative first, a Republican second.

Could you imagine Reagan with Mr. Newt running the show in Congress? zOMFG EurPHoriA!

So you'll be voting for Ron Paul then?

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by Sunder

So you'll be voting for Ron Paul then?

I will be.

[Melchizedek]

No, I actually like McCain. I would vote for Barr before Ron Paul. The war right now is needed. We have to take the fight to the enemy where ever they may be.

McCain understands this.

It is my #1 issue, 1b being the Supreme Court.

Following this logic I will vote McCain. I do not like Paul personally. And he has no chance in hell to win. We simply cannot have a lib in the Oval Office nominating Ginsburgs and Breyers. That would be the biggest internal threat to the Republic. The next president will probably replace Ginsburg (She is very ill and I hope the best for her) and Justice Kennedy will retire. He is just hanging on and hoping for a lib president.

[Jedite]

Originally Posted by Shaof

You know we attacked almost 350 separate targets in Iraq with aircraft between June of 2002 and the start of the war right? Over 250,000 pounds of bombs were dropped. All of this in response to Iraq shooting at our aircraft in no-fly zones imposed from the early 90s.

In my opinion, if you invade another country (see: Kuwait) and get decimated where the decimators impose no-fly zones, and then you attack aircraft enforcing those zones, you are grounds for declared war. WMD are irrelevant at that point.

So while Bush is seeking approval for declared war, he bombs them. Clinton bombs them in retaliation in the same way but it's never questioned because of the end result? Because there was no invasion?

In 1998 Clinton authorized Desert Fox, a 70 hour bombing campaign with over 100 targets in response to Iraq not allowing weapon inspectors in. There were others as well but it's pointless to mention them since the point has been made.

Do liberals think bombing campaigns and attacks on foreign soil are just fine so long as ground forces are not sent in to occupy? I can't seem to figure them out. Someone please explain it for us in laymans terms.

Those bombing campaigns would not destabalize a region, would not put thousands of american and Iraq lives in danger. Those bombing campaigns were Politics by other means. When you invade and remove a head of state, you are not doing politics anymore you are basically impossing your will over another country. We were taken to war under a veil of Lies, if thats not wrong I don't know what is.

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by CnCGOD

The best economies in history are those of a Democrat President with a Republican congress. Or Repub/Repub (which is less because the market likes status quo). Dem/Dem has some of the worst market years.

You are amazingly wrong. Do you even TRY to research shit before you believe them?

1928.. Election on the eve of the Great Depression, the worst financial crisis in American history.. wanna guess what the composition was?

President: Herbert Hoover, Republican
Speaker of the House: Nicolas Longworth, Republican
Majority Leader of the Senate: James E Watson, Republican

Please.... if you can't be bothered to do the bare minimum of self policing the facts you use, just don't post.

No, I actually like McCain. I would vote for Barr before Ron Paul. The war right now is needed. We have to take the fight to the enemy where ever they may be.

huh? Wasn't John McCain criticizing Obama for saying he would use Military force in Pakistan to get Bin Laden? Talking about how Naive and irresponsible he was?
The Raw Story | McCain jabs Obama as 'naive' on Pakistan, national security

So by "wherever they may", you mean "where ever there is oil"?

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Lleauaric~EW

You are amazingly wrong. Do you even TRY to research shit before you believe them?

1928.. Election on the eve of the Great Depression, the worst financial crisis in American history.. wanna guess what the composition was?

President: Herbert Hoover, Republican
Speaker of the House: Nicolas Longworth, Republican
Majority Leader of the Senate: James E Watson, Republican

Please.... if you can't be bothered to do the bare minimum of self policing the facts you use, just don't post.

The great depression began in 1929, a year later, and to lay blame on those people would be huge mistake. I blame the "roaring twenties" which created a major gap between the rich and the middle/working-class. It also didn't help that there was massive speculation in stocks which artificially inflated the market. The imbalance of wealth and the market crashes caused the American economy to capsize. But according to you, those 3 people in the time span of a year or less caused the great depression to happen?

[Jedite]

Originally Posted by Melchizedek

No, I actually like McCain. I would vote for Barr before Ron Paul. The war right now is needed. We have to take the fight to the enemy where ever they may be.

Wait what enemy?

[Lleauaric~EW]

Originally Posted by Warrian

The great depression began in 1929, a year later, and to lay blame on those people would be huge mistake. I blame the "roaring twenties" which created a major gap between the rich and the middle/working-class. It also didn't help that there was massive speculation in stocks which artificially inflated the market. The imbalance of wealth and the market crashes caused the American economy to capsize. But according to you, those 3 people in the time span of a year or less caused the great depression to happen?

1928 was the last election year before the Great Depression... but the Republicans had been in control of both for a few years before it hit.

Now the things you list as causes were the result of Republican policies. Out of control speculation and no oversight or regulation of financial institutions.
If the government had been more dilligent about protecting the economy, and less willing to turn over the controls to the interests of big business, the Great Depression might never had happened.

But according to you, those 3 people in the time span of a year or less caused the great depression to happen?

Think..... Do I REALLY have to explain it to you? I listed 1928 as the year because it was the last major election, but I could have just easily used 1926, 1924, 1922, ect... because the party control was the same.