McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Badass]

Originally Posted by Khorum

The WMD's are probably at Yucca Mountain now. All 1.77 metric tons of radiological material including polonium, uranium and plutonium sufficient for several dirty bombs that fit the criteria enumerated prior to the war. Why do you ask? Oh you don't know anything about non-proliferation at all? How surprising.

You idiot. That 1.77 metric tons of material was already under seal from IAEA since the first gulf war in 1991.

Let that sink into your cromagnum unibrow. That is why in April of 2005 the CIA found that No WMD were found in Iraq.

Do you see the trend here Khorum. Does this bring back memories? It should, because every time I get you isolated on an issue I crack that ignorant neo-con skull open.

Originally Posted by Khorum

You've had your fucking teeth kicked in about this REPEATEDLY and what did you do? You cried and bitched and mumbled and downgraded your "BUSH LIED!" bumper sticker to "BUSH EXAGGERATED!". Oh you're curious about the 1500 units of cyclosarin, mustard and other nerve-agent chemical warheads that were seized too?

You mean the munitions found buried and inoperable in the desert? The ones that were rusted, abandoned and left over from the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980's? Why don't you go tell the families of the 4,155 U.S troops (much less our allies casualties) who have died in Iraq that they died for some rusty inoperable left over mustard gas shells. Mission accomplished?

Originally Posted by khorum

What lessons about National Security do you want to learn from the folks that have realized the diplomatic reconciliation with Libya---including the disarmament of their nuclear weapons---that not even Clinton could accomplish. What Foreign Policy issue did you want to cover about the same folks who have realized the cessation of North Korea's nuclear program and have realized the closest diplomatic relations with North Korea since before Truman fought the Korean War itself.

Are you talking about the success you had when North Korea detonated a nuclear weapon during Bush's presidency? I think you forgot to mention that North Korea is already threatening to renew its nuclear program. Nice job. Well done. Idiot.

Originally Posted by Khorum

Oh what genuine fucking criticism of the war do you even think you have now? Wanna discuss the military criteria of removing Al Qaeda from Al Anbar? That's done, we've even removed OURSELVES from al Anbar now. Wanna discuss "political reconciliation"? Well you've got the sunni's back in the parliament and even the cabinet and you now have Al Sadr disarming his own militia and ordering them to assist American Construction efforts.

How can you take credit for removing "Al Qaeda in Iraq" from Anbar when they were not even in Iraq to begin with until you started this bullshit war? Unbelievable. Moqtada Al Sadr - the radical anti-american cleric who takes orders from Tehran and has killed thousand of U.S troops is our new ally? Let's see how long this lasts shall we?

Originally Posted by Khorum

What fucking subject do you think you HAVEN'T had your bullshit crammed back up your throat with exactly? This isn't a large community, it isn't like anyone has missed how ridiculous you've exposed yourself to be by now.

LOL.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Badass

Do you read your own articles you lying sack of shit. Let me quote the article you linked for you:

Do you see the trend here Khorum. Does this bring back memories? It should, because every time I get you isolated on an issue I crack that ignorant neo-con skull open. [url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7634313/"]By the way, make sure and ignore this fact, since those guys have no idea what they are talking about.

Are you SERIOUSLY re-enacting this particular faux pas again?!? LMAO. Who the fuck do you think you're fucking fooling, you "college" dipshit? You linked a CIA report from MSNBC from April 2005..... a "final" report that came out A YEAR BEFORE THE PENTAGON'S CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY THAT, YES INDEEDY, THOSE MUNITIONS FOUND IN IRAQ FIT THE CRITERIA FOR WMD'S AS DEFINED PRIOR TO THE WAR

Seriously, how fucking stupid are you? Why do you persist on making such a fucking mockery of yourself?

You had your amusing inability to use a calendar smashed over head over and over before and here you are to remind folks about that incident lest they forget? How fucking hard was it to check the dates, didn't you pick up that basic research ability during your alleged "college" education?

The radiological material could've been under the seal of the FUCKING POPE for all the good it would've done to the victims of all the radiological bombs they could've made from 1.77 metric tons of it. The fact is that the uranium was in POWDER FORM, brokend down from and totally unsuited for industrial "cake" usage and prepared for distribution in a dirty bomb. The fact is it included large quantities of Polonium and Cesium-137, the same kind of isotopes that killed that Russian spy in England with trace amounts a couple years ago. But you don't know that do you? You know precisely JACK AND SHIT about non-proliferation while SOME OF US worked for the same organizations that built Yucca Mountain.

Those chemical munitions were there from before the 2003 war but were the type used during the 1990's anfal campaign. And they were there in the quantities that Saddam Hussein used to kill 5,000 men women and children in Halabja and were of the same variety he used to murder 100,000 kurdish rebels during his that campaign.

LMAO do you REALLY think anyone believes you've 'cracked' anyone's skull other than your own with EVERY hilarious self-inflicted douchebaggery you inflict on us like when you revealed that you're actually Whoopi Fucking Goldberg. And what do you have to counter it with? Your hilarious inability to fucking READ DATES? Who the fuck do you think you're fooling around here? You want to discuss the half-life of Sarin and Cyclosarin? LOL. We've ALL seen this exact same outcome when you try your hand at a reasoned argument: TOTAL HILARITY.

Are you talking about the success you had when North Korea detonated a nuclear weapon during Bush's presidency? I think you forgot to mention that North Korea is already threatening to renew its nuclear program. Nice job. Well done. Idiot.

Yeah the same North Korea that has committed more and farther under Bush's six-party talks than they EVER had under Clinton or Carter or ANY OTHER DEMOCRATIC ADMINISTRATION. The same korea that remains committed to the same six-nation nonproliferation track despite their insistence at being removed from the US terror supporter list. The same Korea that has accepted warmer diplomatic ties with their southern neighbors, with Japan and with the USA under Bush's diplomatic regime than with any other leadership since Truman. Why, did you know think you were on to something when you didn't even know we had normalized relations with Libya? Fucking retard.

Have you produced any evidence of happy socialist families sailing back to Cuba despite page after page of your specious insistence that we should embrace Cuban socialism even as 3.4 million Cuban-Americans scream for redress and while every human rights organization maintains their condemnation of the regime?

Oh right, you haven't And when you tried, you had made an even bigger fool of yourself than previously thought imaginable.

How can you take credit for removing "Al Qaeda in Iraq" from Anbar when they were not even in Iraq to begin with until you started this bullshit war? Unbelievable. Moqtada Al Sadr - the radical anti-american cleric who takes orders from Tehran and has killed thousand of U.S troops is our new ally? Let's see how long this lasts shall we?

Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia ruled Al Anbar and imposed sharia law on the streets, those folks would've been training their cells for deployment in the USA and yet they've spent their time being murdered in Al Anbar. So yeah, I'm thankful for our men and women for THEIR credit in making that happen.

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about yet again. You may want to google up Al Sadr's announcement not ONLY to disarm his militia and to join the political process but to order his former militiamen into social services and to help the government with reconstruction. Al Sadr's militia has already surrendered their weapons and they're currently participating in 17 of the 34 construction projects maintained by US partners in Sadr City.

And what factual basis did you provide for your insistence that Al Sadr won't maintain his "indefinite" ceasefire when in fact he's maintained every other ceasefire he's proclaimed before? What basis do you have to dispute that outside of Diyala, Iraq is enjoying a reconstruction boom? Oh that's right. the same certainty you've based your hideous denigration of the sacrifices of our men and women that made the victory in al Anbar possible: NOTHING AT ALL.

Seriously, why do you even fucking bother?

[Clericnon2boxed]

How are the chances that there is a video of Palin speaking in tongues ?

[Khorum]

About as good as the likelihood of a video of her enforcing abstinence-only education. Which is about as likely as Larry Sinclair producing a 10-year-old used condom with traces of Obama's dickgravy.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Lies

There were no WMD in Iraq.

[Convo]

I didn't see these posted but this thread jumped like 30 pages in 3 days lol. Imo Hilary and McCain did a better job with Bill but there are 2 more parts to the interview so I am not gonna fully write his decision to go on the Factor as a mistake. Obama looks kind of weak here. He's stuttering ffs. I am assuming it's just b/c he is a very well thought out guy but it looked bad. He does an awesome job delivering speeches but having someone on his ass throws him a bit.

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[Badass]

Originally Posted by Khorum

JIBBERISH

LOL. That is painful. I kind of feel bad for you.

[Tuco]

Originally Posted by Clericnon2boxed

How are the chances that there is a video of Palin speaking in tongues ?

What the fuck you got against speaking in tongues?

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Badass

LOL. That is painful. I kind of feel bad for you.

Yeah, I thought so. Go "succeed" in using a calendar, idiot.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Convo

I didn't see these posted but this thread jumped like 30 pages in 3 days lol. Imo Hilary and McCain did a better job with Bill but there are 2 more parts to the interview so I am not gonna fully write his decision to go on the Factor as a mistake. Obama looks kind of weak here. He's stuttering ffs. I am assuming it's just b/c he is a very well thought out guy but it looked bad. He does an awesome job delivering speeches but having someone on his ass throws him a bit.

He's definitely on edge, and he's even worse during the economy position that he was about the surge.

But at least he was FRANK during the surge part. Look at how he responds when he's FINALLY honest about the outcome of the surge, and then look at how he's blustery and evasive about the reality of his tax plan. He refuses to admit what his tax plan is when O'Reilly lays it out (wealth redistribution), and like his performance at the debate he goes on and provides a story about some waitress's "wages plus tips" at the end.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Convo

I didn't see these posted but this thread jumped like 30 pages in 3 days lol. Imo Hilary and McCain did a better job with Bill but there are 2 more parts to the interview so I am not gonna fully write his decision to go on the Factor as a mistake. Obama looks kind of weak here. He's stuttering ffs. I am assuming it's just b/c he is a very well thought out guy but it looked bad. He does an awesome job delivering speeches but having someone on his ass throws him a bit.

Thanks for posting the video, was wanting to see it.

I don't think he is stuttering. He does it in most interviews, any time he isn't giving a speech I think. He even did it on Countdown, and I doubt people will consider those hardball questions. To me it shows he is thinking. He is giving actual, thought out answers instead of canned responses.

I don't know if he will be a good president. The more I see Obama the more I'm convinced he is the smartest person out of all 4 people running. That isn't saying he is the best guy for the job all alone, but I'm confident he has several IQ points over the rest of the group.

Here are his Countdown interviews (more tonight):

[Erumaron]

Bill O'Reilly is like the little kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALALALALALALALA" - he might ask good questions but he certainly tries to shape the answer and puts little tidbits of misleading facts in the mix.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

Bill O'Reilly is like the little kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALALALALALALALA" - he might ask good questions but he certainly tries to shape the answer and puts little tidbits of misleading facts in the mix.

Give us some examples.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Palin was correct that the consequences of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae's tremendous influence on the taxpayer's lives (combined they represent more than HALF of the mortgage positions in the USA) and noone anywhere can argue that.

Again, for the second time, this sentence does not make sense. I'm not disagreeing with your statement, because you didn't make one. She's correct about the consequences.... what? What are the consequences? What can no one argue with? If you've got an explanation for what appears to be a colossal gaffe, I'd love to hear it. But you're really not saying, well, anything in the above sentence.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Erumaron

Bill O'Reilly is like the little kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and goes "LALALALALALALALALA" - he might ask good questions but he certainly tries to shape the answer and puts little tidbits of misleading facts in the mix.

That's true, but that's just his tactic that he attempts on ALL his guests. He does it on Karl Rove, he does it on Laura Ingraham and he TRIES to do it to Dennis Miller.

It's an infuriating and highly effective tactic that imbalances and exposes the guests who tend to structured dialogue to get their message across. But when he tried it on Dodd and Clinton, his interruptions and sneering don't work and in the case of Hillary Clinton, she not only rolls with it, she actually disarms O'Reilly himself.