McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Arbitrary]

New Orleans is still pretty fucked as I understand it. Brad Pitt was harping about it or some such. I don't know, I wasn't really paying attention.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by kegkilla

i signed up to register to vote with some guy out in front of my campus today but i checked republican and after i gave him the form he told me he was from move-on.org. should i be worried about him throwing out my registration form? seems like something a little liberal sissy would do.

That's not fucking funny. I'd pitch a royal goddamn fit if that happened.

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by Jedite

Oh I don't know.. Maybe because they both represent the same party that ridiculed John Kerrys service record, and praises John McCains. The same party that elected and re-elected Bush, to whom McCain gave his full support. Hmm did Bush not appear through a big screen TV at the Convention? McCain has only superficially tried to distance himself from Bush, but hasn't publicly said anything against the current president.

And when exactly has Barack Obama stood up to ANYONE in the democratic party? When has he been anything other than a perfunctory yes for every single vote?

At least John McCain has a record of bipartisanship and doing what he feels is right. He almost threw his chance to run away this time because he proposed that abortion of an immigration reform bill; because he believed in it.

Yes, McCain has pandered in the last 8 years. Yes, he is trying to show the evangelicals they don't need to think he is the boogeyman. That's a neccessary evil under the current republican coalition. But that doesn't mean he's going to govern like Bush, and that doesn't mean he's agreed with everything Bush has done. If you've paid attention to politics the last eight years you would know that.

[kegkilla]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

That's not fucking funny. I'd pitch a royal goddamn fit if that happened.

lolwat

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

Probably McCain's support of Bush the past several years. Something that also turned many of his Independant support away from him.

Also, this:

Independent huh? You're going to allow a PICTURE to condemn tens of millions of poor American children to the same caustic cycle of failure and frustration that Obama wants to _REWARD_ the teachers' unions for imprisoning them in?

Obama not only refuses to acknowledge that school vouchers are a proven and dramatic improvement over our failed abortion of a public school system because admitting as much would imperil the favor of the teachers' unions. But Obama WANTS to award those very same corrupt unions with more money for essentially changing NOTHING.

You're going to allow a PICTURE to inform your support for Obama's REFUSAL to adopt the last and best hope to salvage Social Security? You're going to allow THAT PICTURE to allow Obama to do nothing about the system that is destined to start failing by 2017?

Because of that picture you're going to allow Obama's "UNCHANGE" to force you to keep paying 12 cents out of every fucking dollar you EARN and throw it down a hole that will essentially stop working in NINE YEARS and be shut by 2040? Obama REFUSES to consider McCain's proposal of privatizing social security, allowing poor folks and middle class families to use the exact same high-tech investment practices that are allowing rich people to retire at 40, and instead Obama wants to raise fucking taxes to sustain a doomed enterprise.

You're rowing down a river towards an unmistakable waterfall. You're rowing at the rate of 12 cents out of every dollar you earn. And yet because of THAT PICTURE you're just gonna sit there when Obama forces us to ROW FASTER?

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by kegkilla

lolwat

Anyone who would throw away someone else's voter registration is a piece of garbage. If you are worried about it you should keep tabs on your registration if you can.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by kegkilla

lolwat

If he throws it away you'll probably get a nice 15 minutes of fame. Might be some strategy to cash in on that as well, possible blackmail to MoveOn.org

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by Zhaun's_Shade

So you're saying Democrats lose because they run on what they actually believe and the Republicans win because they pander?

No, I'm saying democrats lose because they run someone who is in lock step with the far left of their party, alienating those in the middle. Republicans typically run someone who one side or the other of the far right(fiscal conservatives/hawks/jesusfreaks) isn't necessarily comfortable with. Republicans almost always end up with a compromise candidate in order to keep their coalition together, which I feel is to their benefit come the general election.

When we run Tancredo or Duncan Hunter they lose in the primary. You get behind Obama and make him your savior.

[Jedite]

Originally Posted by Gilgamel

And when exactly has Barack Obama stood up to ANYONE in the democratic party? When has he been anything other than a perfunctory yes for every single vote?

At least John McCain has a record of bipartisanship and doing what he feels is right. He almost threw his chance to run away this time because he proposed that abortion of an immigration reform bill; because he believed in it.

Yes, McCain has pandered in the last 8 years. Yes, he is trying to show the evangelicals they don't need to think he is the boogeyman. That's a neccessary evil under the current republican coalition. But that doesn't mean he's going to govern like Bush, and that doesn't mean he's agreed with everything Bush has done. If you've paid attention to politics the last eight years you would know that.

Then what does that mean exactly... That he will basically get Elected and turn his back on all those evangelicals that got him elected? What does that tell you about the character of someone who has to go out and pretend someone he is not(according to you) to get all happy go lucky with the base of his party? You can't have your cake and eat it Im sorry.

[Lalala]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Independent huh? You're going to allow a PICTURE to condemn tens of millions of poor American children to the same caustic cycle of failure and frustration that Obama wants to _REWARD_ the teachers' unions for imprisoning them in?

Obama not only refuses to acknowledge that school vouchers are a proven and dramatic improvement over our failed abortion of a public school system because admitting as much would imperil the favor of the teachers' unions. But Obama WANTS to award those very same corrupt unions with more money for essentially changing NOTHING.

You're going to allow a PICTURE to inform your support for Obama's REFUSAL to adopt the last and best hope to salvage Social Security? You're going to allow THAT PICTURE to allow Obama to do nothing about the system that is destined to start failing by 2017?

Because of that picture you're going to allow Obama's "UNCHANGE" to force you to keep paying 12 cents out of every fucking dollar you EARN and throw it down a hole that will be essentially stop working in NINE YEARS and be shut by 2040? Obama REFUSES to consider McCain's proposal of privatizing social security, allowing poor folks and middle class families to use the exact same high-tech investment practices that are allowing rich people to retire at 40, and instead Obama wants to raise fucking taxes to sustain a doomed enterprise.

You're rowing down a river towards an unmistakable waterfall. You're rowing at the rate of 12 cents out of every dollar you earn. And yet because of THAT PICTURE you're just gonna sit there when Obama forces us to ROW FASTER?

Privatizing social security would be another Fanny Mae's crisis waiting to happen in the future.

[Gilgamel]

Originally Posted by Jedite

Then what does that mean exactly... That he will basically get Elected and turn his back on all those evangelicals that got him elected? What does that tell you about the character of someone who has to go out and pretend someone he is not(according to you) to get all happy go lucky with the base of his party? You can't have your cake and eat it Im sorry.

He will do exactly what Bill Clinton did. He will pander to his "base" in order to get elected and then govern from a position of relative moderation. A lot of the far left didn't like Clinton at the end of his term, and I'd wager the evangelicals are going to be pretty damn disappointed by McCain at the end of his.

I think the single best situation for our country to be in is with a relatively moderate president in office and with the opposing party to have minor majorities in both the house and senate.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Lalala

Most of that money went mostly to already rich people, who did not need more, if the government hasnt spent those billions on the war, IT WOULD HAVE SPENT THEM ELSEWHERE IN THE ECONOMY.

You constantly claim the republican spend less, and when youre told they spend too much, then you tell us the spending is good, it make the economy run.

You're a fucking hypocrit.

Most of that money? LMAO. Spent on WHERE in the economy then tough guy? You think Microsoft and Apple have no government contracts? You think ComEd and SBC and Verizon don't participate in the wartime economy? You think those farmers and dairy maids don't contribute to the GSA/DOD's massive MRE provisioning contracts?

I've supported all my positions with facts, every single one, and you're gonna bleat about me being a "hypocrit" just as you've NEVER, EVER provided the first fucking fact about any of your faith in Obama's abilities, competence or sincerity?

You're gonna tow that same fucking line about CEO/Shareholder compensation when in fact even OBAMA couldn't address the truth that his absurd class-warfare tax policies stands poised to harm 100 million American families. Not just the rich folks, dipshit, but union workers, nurses, janitors, UPS drivers, programmers, clerks and ONE HUNDRED MILLION AMERICAN FAMILIES who supplement their livelihoods with stocks and the stock options that their employers grant them as a stake in their businesses.

JUST rich folks huh? Grow the fuck up.

[Lalala]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Most of that money? LMAO. Spent on WHERE in the economy then tough guy? You think Microsoft and Apple have no government contracts? You think ComEd and SBC and Verizon don't participate in the wartime economy? You think those farmers and dairy maids don't contribute to the GSA/DOD's massive MRE provisioning contracts?

I've supported all my positions with facts, every single one, and you're gonna bleat about me being a "hypocrit" just as you've NEVER, EVER provided the first fucking fact about any of your faith in Obama's abilities, competence or sincerity?

You're gonna tow that same fucking line about CEO/Shareholder compensation when in fact even OBAMA couldn't address the truth that his absurd class-warfare tax policies stands poised to harm 100 million American families. Not just the rich folks, dipshit, but union workers, nurses, janitors, UPS drivers, programmers, clerks and ONE HUNDRED MILLION AMERICAN FAMILIES who supplement their livelihoods with stocks and the stock options that their employers grant them as a stake in their businesses.

JUST rich folks huh? Grow the fuck up.

your facts? get real, they were spins mostly.

oh and 100 millions americans families, check your numbers, this is not China, there are not enough citizen in the USA to make up 100 millions families...

[Jedah]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Obama not only refuses to acknowledge that school vouchers are a proven and dramatic improvement over our failed abortion of a public school system because admitting as much would imperil the favor of the teachers' unions. But Obama WANTS to award those very same corrupt unions with more money for essentially changing NOTHING.

Private schools have the luxury of determining who they will and will not accept though. They can refuse sub-par students, special needs students, and excess students who would lead to class overflow. These are all factors that influence the costs and quality of public schools.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Jedah

Private schools have the luxury of determining who they will and will not accept though. They can refuse sub-par students, special needs students, and excess students who would lead to class overflow. These are all factors that influence the costs and quality of public schools.

Public schools do that also Jedah with "college prep" and "magnet school" programs. Watch that video. The Portland Charter school featured in that video accept the LOWEST-INCOME students regardless of their grades and they went from the lowest test schools in the city to the absolute highest.


You can't FIND a Kaplan reading center that will turn down any kid so long as he can afford the tuition. Nowhere.

I know what you mean about exclusivity in private schools (even some parochial schools) but public school systems ALSO have "magnet" schools which exclude based on grades.

The fact is there are charter schools in Utah, Ohio and the privatized program in Wisconsin that accept low-performance students and CONSISTENTLY outperform public school testing grades with those students today. Right now.

Despite that, the fact that Obama wants to sustain that system--and worse REWARD the same teacher unions to perpetrate it---is the most reprehensible example of his political opportunism.