McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Tristinn

The best McCain could do after his convention nationally is tie Obama? Republicans must be shaking in their five hundred dollar shoes, oh wait they all retired because they know they are going to lose, oops.

Actually he took a lead over Obama. And this was after BOTH conventions were complete. We'll see how it smooths out, but in the meanwhile shut that fucking cocksucker of yours and I'm gonna go buy some five hundred dollar shoes.

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Itzena

So are Fox News going to replace their entire staff now as well?

Nah, just upgrade their programming to include more liberal-hating but less woman-bashing/patronizing to protect Palin.

[Mippo]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Vice President? How about the collossal, on-going economic gaffe your PRESIDENTIAL candidate continues to foist as "policy" to this very day.

Palin was correct that the consequences of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae's tremendous influence on the taxpayer's lives (combined they represent more than HALF of the mortgage positions in the USA) and noone anywhere can argue that. But huffpo resorts to SEMANTICS and then cites "progressive" think tanks to push their point? LOL.

Where were those "progressive" think tanks on Obama's preposterous economic policies that will sap the vitality from America's wealth-creation sectors? Oh right, they couldn't say shit.

They couldn't say shit because when cornered about the absurdity of his hollow demamoguery about WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION and the harm it would do to our capital markets, OBAMA resorted to nothing but victimization and pity-politics:

Palin articulated the same frustration about the excessive aggregation of wealth and influence in extra-state powers that has been consistent with Andrew Jackson's resistance to a central bank, to Teddy Roosevelt's triumph over the Trusts of the Gilded Age all the way to Ron Paul's crusade against the Federal Reserve today.

Hell, she basically mimics WOODROW WILSON, when, after signing the Federal Reserve Act of 1914, Wilson acknowledged the harm he has done to American Democracy:

Thanks for linking a video showing how wonderfully Obama answered the question. By the way, that was an example of biased journalism and the moderators were heavily criticized for it by EVERYONE. This is in contrast to Palin whose claims of media bias are unsubstantiated.

[kegkilla]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

I was making fun of those Hillary supporters.

Is that ok?

no it isn't. in fact, it's not ok for you to make fun of anybody other than yourself until you can figure out how to put the penis in the vagina you colossal fucking failure of a human being.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Thanks for linking a video showing how wonderfully Obama answered the question.

Is that a fucking joke? That was a huge blunder. The fact that you idiots think that nearly doubling the capital gains tax is a good idea explains everything. The fact that Obama was completely baffled by the question, and had no idea what he was talking about when he stated that he'd be willing to raise capital gains from 15% to 28%. Look, I don't defend McCain's blunders, stop trying to rationalize everything Obama does. Even the Messiah can be wrong on some issues.

Fucking fanboys.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Thanks for linking a video showing how wonderfully Obama answered the question. By the way, that was an example of biased journalism and the moderators were heavily criticized for it by EVERYONE. This is in contrast to Palin whose claims of media bias are unsubstantiated.

LOL biased journalism? The fact that in __EVERY__ instance that capital gains were raised, tax revenues from that same tax DROPPED is biased journalism? The fact that in __EVERY__ instance that capital gains taxes were dropped, as in the case of Reagan, Bush AND Clinton, the tax revenues from that tax INCREASED in biased journalism?

The fact that Arthur Laffer's supply-side economics informed the explosively exuberant economy that won the cold war in the 1980s, and later informed the neoliberal market policies of Clinton's 1990's, and later yet yielded the two highest federal tax revenue collections in US history (and some of the largest economic expansions in US history) is all just biased journalism?

The __ONLY__ person who ever tried to defend Obama's economic positions around here (Soriak, who plucked his harpstrings about the lock-in incentive) even ADMITTED that Obama's answers were poorly thought-out and evasive and here you are saying that VICTIMIZATION and PITY-POLITICS is an appropriate remedy to our economic challenges?

LOL. Maybe YOU can explain how cannibalizing the same capital markets that sustain our industries, that fund our retirements, that sustain our health insurance coverages, that pay for our universities, that make college loans POSSIBLE, that keep your parents EMPLOYED makes any sense to the workers and families of this country.

Maybe you can explain why Obama had so UTTERLY failed to account for his attack on "THEM", when in fact the "THEM" he was attacking were the 100 million Americans who sustain their families with STOCKS in the same capital markets that Obama plans to poison with his deluded keynesian policies.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Thanks for linking a video showing how wonderfully Obama answered the question. By the way, that was an example of biased journalism and the moderators were heavily criticized for it by EVERYONE. This is in contrast to Palin whose claims of media bias are unsubstantiated.

Here is the Obama muslim faith line in context. BTW no Obama supporter ever can make fun of Bush as a speaker when their guy is much worse.

[Chrisb3]

Originally Posted by Melchizedek

Nationalized healthcare sucks. Canada sucks, England sucks when it comes to providing health care. When the shit hits the fan and you find out you need an operation but cannot wait, you hop your ass on a Boeing 777 luxury liner and get your ass here pronto.

Best healthcare system in the world? Maybe if you are rich, who cares about poor people eh? Can't afford insurance? Natural selection, go die in a ditch so we can cover it over and bury you easier.

People sure as hell don't die waiting for emergancy operations here. Maybe you would have had a point 8 years ago with hip replacements and crap like that, but not now.

Having to pay for life safing treatment is a concept completly foreign to me.
Dick van Dyke has taught me well about your shitty health system, if it worked noone would even be talking about it now in this thread.

[Melchizedek]

Originally Posted by Mippo

Thanks for linking a video showing how wonderfully Obama answered the question. By the way, that was an example of biased journalism and the moderators were heavily criticized for it by EVERYONE. This is in contrast to Palin whose claims of media bias are unsubstantiated.

This just further illustrates how stupid libs are when it comes to running an economy. All economies correct, libs exploit fears to gain power promising it will never happen again....

But that never happens. They just pass more bills that become law that restrict what you can and cannot do. Again, this isn't even debatable, the 16th Amendment to the constitution comes to mind.

[Mippo]

Originally Posted by Manseed

Is that a fucking joke? That was a huge blunder. The fact that you idiots think that nearly doubling the capital gains tax is a good idea explains everything. The fact that Obama was completely baffled by the question, and had no idea what he was talking about when he stated that he'd be willing to raise capital gains from 15% to 28%. Look, I don't defend McCain's blunders, stop trying to rationalize everything Obama does. Even the Messiah can be wrong on some issues.

Fucking fanboys.

He did know what he was talking about. Only around 11% of middle to low income people pay the capital gains tax yet the majority of people in the higher income tax brackets have to pay it. It's primarily a tax on the wealthy and as he explained, they tend to pay, as a percentage of income, less in taxes then people of lower income brackets.

[Melchizedek]

Originally Posted by Chrisb3

Best health care system in the world? Maybe if you are rich, who cares about poor people eh? Can't afford insurance? Natural selection, go die in a ditch so we can cover it over and bury you easier.

People sure as hell don't die waiting for emergency operations here. Maybe you would have had a point 8 years ago with hip replacements and crap like that, but not now.

Having to pay for life saving treatment is a concept completely foreign to me.
Dick van Dyke has taught me well about your shitty health system, if it worked no one would even be talking about it now in this thread.

Like all those illegals in CA, AZ, and TX which are killing our health care system? You show up to an ER with a life threatening injury, you are going to get seen. Period.

If our system is so shitty, I assume you will never use any drugs that are developed, tested, and brought to market in the US. Moreover, you should never have any procedures that were developed in the United States, because after all, they are so shitty.

You just want something for nothing.

With all the spelling mistakes and grammatical errors, I think your education probably sucks too.

[Mippo]

Originally Posted by Melchizedek

This just further illustrates how stupid libs are when it comes to running an economy. All economies correct, libs exploit fears to gain power promising it will never happen again....

But that never happens. They just pass more bills that become law that restrict what you can and cannot do. Again, this isn't even debatable, the 16th Amendment to the constitution comes to mind.

Yeah, under the Clinton administration we had a record surplus. Under the Bush administration we have a record DEFICIT. The dollar is worth HALF of what it was under Clinton's adminstration but clearly it's the liberals that are clueless when it comes to the economy.

[Szlia]

Then comes healthcare. Bitch all you want about our system, the fact is it is the very best system in the world. In all other places around the world you wait for your your life saving treatments. Many times, the patient dies waiting. There are numerous examples of people from all around the world coming to the US to get treated because they couldn't get the quality of care they required in the time they needed it. This is not even debatable.

I agree that it is not even debatable. Who would debate lobbies generated fairy tales?

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Mippo

He did know what he was talking about. Only around 11% of middle to low income people pay the capital gains tax yet the majority of people in the higher income tax brackets have to pay it. It's primarily a tax on the wealthy and as he explained, they tend to pay, as a percentage of income, less in taxes then people of lower income brackets.

No he did NOT know what he was talking about. If he had spent more fucking time in the US senate instead of campaigning, he would know to what extent he is so totally fucking wrong about the "effectiveness" of ANY taxation to the wealth-creating sectors of this country is: NOT AT ALL.

The last time I got banned Tuco cited "bragging about my accountant" as a reason LOL. But I wasn't bragging about my accountant, I was pointing out what the Senate had concluded after their deliberations on how the top brackets of this country ONLY ACCEPT THOSE LIABILITIES WHICH DO NOT EXCEED THE BENEFITS OF PARTICIPATING IN OUR ECONOMY.

In every instance that even the slightest taxation on capital markets is applied, the investors, speculators and foreign investors will simply LEAVE. They already don't pay income taxes since they're all technically in debt to themselves (Income? They file a 0%-interest LOAN to a structured fund in Costa Rica every month).

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Mippo

He did know what he was talking about. Only around 11% of middle to low income people pay the capital gains tax yet the majority of people in the higher income tax brackets have to pay it. It's primarily a tax on the wealthy and as he explained, they tend to pay, as a percentage of income, less in taxes then people of lower income brackets.

No no, you idiot, it's a tax on PRODUCTIVITY. That's the problem, when investors stop investing what do you think that does to the economy? Do you personally think that it is good or bad for those 'wealthy' people to invest their money in American industry? Such a shallow argument. In the end it is a tax that hurts everyone, not just the wealthy.

Edit: Oh and it fucks everyone with a 401k too. Since your social security JOKE on this country has failed, you're screwing everyone by raising capital gains.

Edit again: Oh, and government revenues of capital gains have always been higher when the tax was lower, because it encourages a lot of people to invest.

So, the Obama capital gains tax increase will cause less people to invest (which trickles all the way down to the McDonald's employee making $8 an hour), and (if history is correct) it will lower the amount of revenue that the government takes in from it. So, tell me, who wins here?