McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[PigBenis]

I swear to god I'm moving to Canada if McCain wins this shit. You people pulling for him have to be fucking mad.

BAN BOOKS?
PRAY AWAY GAY?
THE KEATING 5?

Fail.

Wake the fuck up.

[Tristinn]

Seriously Champo, there is no room for sarcasm on this thread.

And McCain is gonna lose.. don't kid yourselves.

Since the last federal election in 2006, volunteers like Graham combined with the enthusiasm generated by the Obama-Clinton struggle to add more than 2 million Democrats to voter rolls in the 28 states that register voters according to party affiliation. The Republicans have lost nearly 344,000 thousand voters in the same states.

The Associated Press: Democrats post big gains in voter registration

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Badass

No. But 85% of your church and 85% of uneducated red staters would.

WTF does the church have to do with it?

Did you know Obama was a Christian. Where is your God now?

Originally Posted by Zulutu

Probably a re-post, but funny IMHO:
"Palin church wants to 'pray away the gay'."
CANOE -- CNEWS - U.S. Election: Palin church wants to 'pray away the gay'

Hmm, wonder if this is a good time to go over what happened in Obama's church again?

[Tolanin]

Originally Posted by Badass

Look at that post-graduate education gap.

I appreciate you attempting to call me out on the facts. Will you please provide some evidence to support the initial query that McCain/Palain would get 95 of the vote absent political parties because "They are a powerhouse duo of awesomeness."

Try to twist and lie more will you.. I said since when have college grads voted democrat (which is what you originally claimed) and you come back with omg post grad votes democrat (which i acknowledged also). You are a comical, you can try to twist the numbers all over but you are a wrong on everything you said in your original post. Majority of college grads dont vote dem, and certainly 97 percent of them do not vote obama, though obama does have slightly higher numbers among college grads than is typical for a democrat.

Its some new bullshit democrats are trying to pull here suggesting that their party is the party of the college educated when historically republicans pull strongly through the middle and worse as it gets closer to either end of the spectrum (either no education or cloistered academic go democrat)

Rep = Republican
Dem = Democrat
Ind = Independent/Unaffiliated

Grade school education:
23.4% Rep, 54.6% Dem, 22.5% Ind

Some High School:
22.8% Rep, 51.3% Dem, 26.0% Ind

High School Grad:
29.4% Rep, 40.5% Dem, 30.2% Ind

Some College and/or Tech:
36.0% Rep, 35.0% Dem, 29.3% Ind

College Grad:
42.0% Rep, 30.7% Dem, 27.7% Ind

(Source: The World Almanac of U.S. Politics, 1991-93 edition, p.25)

[MrSpitz]

It is so ridiculous how much grief democratic supporters throw out in absence of any arguments about issues. I had one good debate about energy policy and that was it. Even foreigners like Soriak at least link some factual material.

Is that really the whole motivation, just do whatever is different from Bush? That's the big push for Obama? I see a shitstorm of youtube and enquirer and underground online blogger links from gn0me or worthless little quips from people like chaos, and I doubt either one of you even understands any of the major problems beyond IRAQ WAR COSTS MONEY. I also like the REDNECK argument.

So fine, Bush is bad. Bush did not follow any Republican principle other then milking the spirituality vote early on. Not many people disagree. But he also enacted some great, long term changes to our manufacturing and export sector. Yes we just shed 61,000 manufacturing jobs, but that is due to our auto industries failure, I can only imagine how bad the jobs report would be if not for our surging GDP and exports. Yes Iraq is a clusterfuck for which we accomplished almost nothing, even the oil won't flow to us. That shit will be nationalized and outside companies will only get service contracts for their work, just like the one PNC China signed (forget the company name). But the predictions are that in two to three years the oil output for the world market from Iraq will be tremendously increased which helps everyone a lot. Is that a justification? No, but it is a big ass positive to take from the conflict, though nothing can possibly justify the loss of life and war mongering. Also it wasn't happening under Saddam, their oil production had stagnated since 1993 instead of rising.

So fine, you hate Bush and by extension the entire Republican party. Can you just tell me what about Obama's POLICIES is so enticing? Not just the aspect of change, but just pick one solid plan he has that makes you thing 'wow this guy is going to fix the shit out of this problem'. I tried to bring up healthcare after people bitched at me for mocking change (I still haven't found change, btw) but no one had anything to contribute outside someone from the UK.

What I like about McCain is his tax plan, because personally I believe he is just pandering to the rich with his tax cuts and will vote more to his conscience to reverse them, you know something he actually stood up and took flak for before. McCain voted against tax cuts for 2001-2005 or something like that, and since he is such an old bastard I'm hoping he won't care who he pisses off once he's elected. Yea it's speculative but at least it is something he actually voted for in his career, not just some idea or buzzword that has no actual meaning.

[Itzena]

Hey, at least Obama's old church doesn't blame terrorist attacks in Israel on Israelis being Jewish.

[MrSpitz]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Hey, at least Obama's old church doesn't blame terrorist attacks in Israel on Israelis being Jewish.

Yes Itzena, thank you. That is exactly what I am talking about.

Everyone gets so up in arms when people mock out change or Obama but Palin's church views are critical.

Could you please inform me of the beliefs of Obama's old church? I am wholly unaware of his old spiritual congregation having outrageous or offensive views.

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by MrSpitz

What I like about McCain is his tax plan, because personally I believe he is just pandering to the rich with his tax cuts and will vote more to his conscience to reverse them, you know something he actually stood up and took flak for before. McCain voted against tax cuts for 2001-2005 or something like that, and since he is such an old bastard I'm hoping he won't care who he pisses off once he's elected. Yea it's speculative but at least it is something he actually voted for in his career, not just some idea or buzzword that has no actual meaning.

Or, you know, you could vote for someone who's planning on giving tax cuts to 95% of America, instead of the 5%:

[MrSpitz]

I don't believe he has any possibility of making the plan a reality, or being able to fund his proposed agenda and deal with the budget on those numbers alone. Call me a cynic, but I do not think a fresh politician is going to enact a 10% tax increase on the highest income brackets and successfully collect that revenue.


Great campaign graphic but I will vote for the guy who voted against tax cuts for the rich in the past. Just my preference, and it is so because I do not trust political promises. Hence the lack of Obama's record here compared to McCain's record, which is contradictory and that does scare me, sways me away from that.

[Kirby]

Originally Posted by Tolanin

Try to twist and lie more will you.. I said since when have college grads voted democrat (which is what you originally claimed) and you come back with omg post grad votes democrat (which i acknowledged also). You are a comical, you can try to twist the numbers all over but you are a wrong on everything you said in your original post. Majority of college grads dont vote dem, and certainly 97 percent of them do not vote obama, though obama does have slightly higher numbers among college grads than is typical for a democrat.

Its some new bullshit democrats are trying to pull here suggesting that their party is the party of the college educated when historically republicans pull strongly through the middle and worse as it gets closer to either end of the spectrum (either no education or cloistered academic go democrat)

Rep = Republican
Dem = Democrat
Ind = Independent/Unaffiliated

Grade school education:
23.4% Rep, 54.6% Dem, 22.5% Ind

Some High School:
22.8% Rep, 51.3% Dem, 26.0% Ind

High School Grad:
29.4% Rep, 40.5% Dem, 30.2% Ind

Some College and/or Tech:
36.0% Rep, 35.0% Dem, 29.3% Ind

College Grad:
42.0% Rep, 30.7% Dem, 27.7% Ind

(Source: The World Almanac of U.S. Politics, 1991-93 edition, p.25)

I would be interested to see what it is now instead of what it was 15 years ago.

[Tristinn]

Originally Posted by Kirby

I would be interested to see what it is now instead of what it was 15 years ago.

I Know Right

[Malakriss]

Originally Posted by Itzena

Or, you know, you could vote for someone who's planning on giving tax cuts to 95% of America, instead of the 5%:

Or maybe you could vote for someone with more responsibility, namely someone who would not apply the same strategy that left a small town $20,000,000 in debt to the entire United States

[MrSpitz]

The population of that same small town doubled. Of course the debt is horrible, but what good is it to look at it in a vacuum? Long term debt is a standard way on which to build future civic growth.

Until the new economic numbers come out from the 2007 (i believe) census, we cannot evaluate if incomes in the town actually rose and thus if that debt funded a more prosperous local economy which eventually will pay it off.

[Mippo]

McCain would've taken the country to war with Iraq. Obama would not have.

Taking the country to war with Iraq was the absolute biggest mistake this country has made in a long, long time. McCain was 100% behind the war, Obama 100% opposed to it.

Nothing else needs to be said on who should be President. We have the benefit of hindsight now but Obama made the right choice, and McCain would've screwed this country over just like Bush did. No other policy is going to affect this country as much as the Iraq War did and the fact that McCain got that decision so very wrong you'd have to be an absolute idiot to vote for him.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Originally Posted by MrSpitz

The population of that same small town doubled. Of course the debt is horrible, but what good is it to look at it in a vacuum? Long term debt is a standard way on which to build future civic growth.

Until the new economic numbers come out from the 2007 (i believe) census, we cannot evaluate if incomes in the town actually rose and thus if that debt funded a more prosperous local economy which eventually will pay it off.

Or, more importantly, the town is still without a sewage treatment plant and basic rain run-off infrastructure... but hey! They have a new sports plex and park. Debt is horrible? The entire state of Alaska runs a surplus--why do they NEED debt? More importantly, why do they need $20 million in debt if they could have simply bought it and paid for it with their surplus budget? What's better than new infrastructure and $20 million of debt? New infrastructure and NO DEBT. Moron.

Priorities. She doesn't have them.