McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Soriak]

Amateur hour at the McCain campaign. Political Radar: McCain Green Screen -- By Design or Accident?

When McCain started to speak, it looked like he was standing in front of a green screen. (again!) Turns out, that was just part of a larger picture:



The building is the Walter Reed. No, not the medical center - the middle school in North Hollywood, California. McCain has no connections to it and the campaign isn't saying why they picked it. One possibility is that they wanted to show the Walter Reed Medical Center and just failed at using Google.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Etoille

you know 80% of my fucking problem with the republican party is hypocrisy. 15% is the desire to sit in moral judgment of another, 3% is lack of knowledge about the constitution and 2% just a MEASLY FUCKING 2% is poor decision making.

If the Republican party would drop their religious bullshit and actually try to enforce their platform of lower taxes and lower spending, smaller government and less government interference, I would be a straight ticket Republican tomorrow. The problem is that they do not even attempt to enforce their platform, it's become something of a joke at this point that they are the "fiscal conservative" party, in spite of all actual evidence. Meanwhile they have become dependant on the religious extremists in their party and pander to them, moving them even further away from the small government ideals they supposedly espouse. The Democratic party definitely has issues, some of them similar, for instance on the war and on civil liberties. It's really frustrating to see people so ignorant. There was a time when it made me try and argue with them, but I guess I'm a cynical bastard now, because I just laugh at the process.

Then you have the supporters, like in this and other threads, so blind to anything outside what they see or hear in the media. People actually think that their side, Republican or Democrat, is somehow fundamentally "better" than the other side. That one side champions the right of the individual while the other does nothing other than promote a government which micromanages it's citizens down to what they should think and feel and what ther children should know. No matter the facts, it is always the other side, the other party, and the party they have chosen is valiantly standing up to those interests which seek nothing less than the DESTRUCTION OF LOVE AND GOD AND BABIES!

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Warrian

And do you know what the name of that system is that will neutralie their nukes? I bet you don't unless you google it like every other asshat in here. Btw, that's part of the "unproven missile technology" Obama is talking about.

Star Wars? It's got a pretty memorable name and came up a few times in other threads. What do you think it does for national security when it worsens the relationship with Russia and leads to them researching other delivery systems to try to get past the defense?

Nuclear war is far more likely to start become some idiot mistakenly thinks they're being attacked by the other side. A hostile atmosphere doesn't do much to ease those concerns.

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by chaos

If the Republican party would drop their religious bullshit and actually try to enforce their platform of lower taxes and lower spending, smaller government and less government interference, I would be a straight ticket Republican tomorrow. The problem is that they do not even attempt to enforce their platform, it's become something of a joke at this point that they are the "fiscal conservative" party, in spite of all actual evidence. Meanwhile they have become dependant on the religious extremists in their party and pander to them, moving them even further away from the small government ideals they supposedly espouse. The Democratic party definitely has issues, some of them similar, for instance on the war and on civil liberties. It's really frustrating to see people so ignorant. There was a time when it made me try and argue with them, but I guess I'm a cynical bastard now, because I just laugh at the process.

Then you have the supporters, like in this and other threads, so blind to anything outside what they see or hear in the media. People actually think that their side, Republican or Democrat, is somehow fundamentally "better" than the other side. That one side champions the right of the individual while the other does nothing other than promote a government which micromanages it's citizens down to what they should think and feel and what ther children should know. No matter the facts, it is always the other side, the other party, and the party they have chosen is valiantly standing up to those interests which seek nothing less than the DESTRUCTION OF LOVE AND GOD AND BABIES!

Its unfortunate isn't it?

Sad thing is things aren't likely to change until we are so close to collapse from the weight of the current system's failings.

[Digits]

Originally Posted by Warrian

You have no fucking idea what you're talking about. Btw, I love how you attempt to be condescending towards me, but you need some more practice. Do you think if it wasn't for our technology, the cold War would have taken a different turn? Russia had more men, more missiles, more airplanes, bullets, etc. BUT we had them in technology. If it wasn't for that, then what? You wouldn't be here shining your blue gums right now. As for China, they're already devloping satelite weapons. Where have you been?

Thanks for proving my point that you and John McCain are stuck back in 1970. Here's another Big Hint: The year is 2008, and the world is radically different now than it was in 1988. You keep playing with your toy soldiers and being the war hero, though, while I'll be over here with my candidate in reality.

I already brought up China's weaponized satelites, but God forbid you read and comprehend before you post. That's the sort of shit we need to stop. Or do you think we should pump an endless amount of money into developing...what, exactly, space lasers? Orbiting battle stations? Please, enlighten me on what route our scientists can take to develop magic so we can invent all the other shit you think is feasible.

Hey, did you know that by the 1980s Russia has stopped trying to compete with us on a military basis? They were transforming military factories to civilian factories to produce anything that could bolster their economy. What do you think has caused the reemergence of Russia on the national scene? Could it be their new fangled control of oil fields? Because you like being so bold, let me put this in terms you can understand.

The power of a modern nation is directly tied to the strength of their economy, not the strength of their military.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Soriak

Star Wars?

Wrong. That is not the name of the system. That was the idea that President Reagan threw out there which paved way for the systems of today.

It's got a pretty memorable name and came up a few times in other threads. What do you think it does for national security when it worsens the relationship with Russia and leads to them researching other delivery systems to try to get past the defense?

Nuclear war is far more likely to start become some idiot mistakenly thinks they're being attacked by the other side. A hostile atmosphere doesn't do much to ease those concerns.

So what you're saying is we should bend over and pray that our "Friends" don't fuck us in the ass?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Vandyn

So, just randomly thinking forward, assume for a second that McCain wins the election. I really do think he would only run 1 term and if that was true I can see a potential 2012 election as such:

Palin vs. Clinton

You heard it here first.

Because of this irrationality with Palin I finally understand why the Republicans thought we were so crazy supporting Obama. The difference now is that Palin has given 1 speech that was written for her by the McCain handlers. Obama is like a tested, proven, elder statesman in comparison now.

Also, the fact that the McCain campaign is purposely keeping her out of the media strikes me as very suspicious.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Because of this irrationality with Palin I finally understand why the Republicans thought we were so crazy supporting Obama. The difference now is that Palin has given 1 speech that was written for her by the McCain handlers. Obama is like a tested, proven, elder statesman in comparison now.

Why do people compare Palin with Obama? It's McCain vs. Obama. She isn't running against him, she is the VP on the ticket that is running against him. Now if you want to break down Biden vs. Palin then I am all for reading some of that.

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by Soriak

Star Wars? It's got a pretty memorable name and came up a few times in other threads. What do you think it does for national security when it worsens the relationship with Russia and leads to them researching other delivery systems to try to get past the defense?

Nuclear war is far more likely to start become some idiot mistakenly thinks they're being attacked by the other side. A hostile atmosphere doesn't do much to ease those concerns.

I don't believe Russia is really the main reason for the shield, although certainly part of it. Fact is many countries will be gaining the tech to attack us from a distance over the next 20 years and its probably a good idea to be able to do something about a missile or small volly instead of just sitting there with your head between your legs rocking yourself in your chair.

We certainly didn't get to where we are now strength wise by bending over and hoping no one sticks it in our ass.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Digits

Thanks for proving my point that you and John McCain are stuck back in 1970. Here's another Big Hint: The year is 2008, and the world is radically different now than it was in 1988. You keep playing with your toy soldiers and being the war hero, though, while I'll be over here with my candidate in reality.

Nothing to read there.

I already brought up China's weaponized satelites, but God forbid you read and comprehend before you post. That's the sort of shit we need to stop. Or do you think we should pump an endless amount of money into developing...what, exactly, space lasers? Orbiting battle stations? Please, enlighten me on what route our scientists can take to develop magic so we can invent all the other shit you think is feasible.

Nothing to read here either.

Hey, did you know that by the 1980s Russia has stopped trying to compete with us on a military basis? They were transforming military factories to civilian factories to produce anything that could bolster their economy. What do you think has caused the reemergence of Russia on the national scene? Could it be their new fangled control of oil fields? Because you like being so bold, let me put this in terms you can understand.

Like I said, you haven't a fucking clue. All you can do is say bullshit like "WELCOME TO 1988 LOLZ" and what not. Russia has increased their military spending by a fuckton and it's going to keep going up. Doesn't matter why, what, when, or where. The fact is it's happening and it's happening right now. So sit here and keep hugging Obama's nuts while he destroys our technologic edge. If you think otherwise, you're in denial.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Why do people compare Palin with Obama? It's McCain vs. Obama. She isn't running against him, she is the VP on the ticket that is running against him. Now if you want to break down Biden vs. Palin then I am all for reading some of that.

I understand but McCain is a known entity like Biden. This is a discussion board. No one wants to talk about McCain or Biden. You either like McCain or not. Nothing needs to be said about him.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Why do people compare Palin with Obama? It's McCain vs. Obama.

Because Palin is the one that excites the Republican base, not McCain. Almost no one on the Republican side is truly enthusiastic about McCain, but many are acting like Palin is some kind of second coming. It's an appropriate comparison.

In answer to IRB's Palin speculation, I think it's very obvious that the McCain campaign has no confidence in Palin to handle herself with the media. Can you imagine the Republican backlash if Hillary had refused to speak to the media because they were mean to her?

[Digits]

It's happening because of Bush's idiotic rancor, unnecessary wars, and the fact he didn't deal with Russia appropriately. Looking into Putin's eyes and seeing his soul doesn't count as diplomacy, and to think that the current Russia is anywhere near the level of threat as the Soviet Union is ludicrous. Real diplomacy is how Clinton convinced North Korea to abandon it's nuclear ambition in exchange for American aid in creating power plants, and idiotic rancor is the Republican Congress vetoing such 'appeasment'. Enlighten me as to how that turned out. Woops, I'm sorry there's just 'nothing to read here'. because you can't handle reality.

We are the most technological nation on the planet, and cutting frivolous spending won't change that. We still decades ahead of the competition, and cutting billions off the defense budget to help fix our real strength, the economy, is the only wise decision.

[Arbitrary]

Originally Posted by Warrian

you think if it wasn't for our technology, the cold War would have taken a different turn? Russia had more men, more missiles, more airplanes, bullets, etc. BUT we had them in technology. If it wasn't for that, then what?

We spent them into the ground with our superior economic powers until even their lies about their own capabilities couldn't keep up.

[Warrian]

Originally Posted by Digits

It's happening because of Bush's idiotic rancor, unnecessary wars, and the fact he didn't deal with Russia appropriately. Looking into Putin's eyes and seeing his soul doesn't count as diplomacy, and to think that the current Russia is anywhere near the level of threat as the Soviet Union is ludicrous. Real diplomacy is how Clinton convinced North Korea to abandon it's nuclear ambition in exchange for American aid in creating power plants, and idiotic rancor is the Republican Congress vetoing such 'appeasment'. Enlighten me as to how that turned out. Woops, I'm sorry there's just 'nothing to read here'. because you can't handle reality.

We are the most technological nation on the planet, and cutting frivolous spending won't change that. We still decades ahead of the competition, and cutting billions off the defense budget to help fix our real strength, the economy, is the only wise decision.

Because I can't handle reality? You don't even know what reality is. If we lose our technological edge, which we can and might if we slow down as suggested per Obama, then we put our entire nation at risk.