McCain/Palin v. Obama/Biden

[Malakriss]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

you shouldnt be whining so hard, you should be happy cuz now Obama has this election all sewn up. or has he? lol

Quite a downward spiral...

Gallup Daily: Obama Hits 50% for First Time
Obama Gains Among Former Clinton Supporters

[Badass]

Originally Posted by Khorum

HAHHAHHA, just like the LAST time you tried to cite a source and ended up shitting out a year-old article then pretended that it was current, now you cite a link that proves EXACTLY what I said about Alaska's resentment of Federal restrictions on Alaskan ancestral lands. Here, let's take a look at that FAQ and identify the ACTUAL grievances they expressed:

That's about as Anti-American as Thomas Jefferson's rejection of EXACTLY the sort of grotesque unconstitutional federalist incrementalism that has poisoned American governance today. That's EXACTLY as anti-American as Teddy Roosevelt's ethos of Rugged Individualism. That's EXACTLY as anti-American as the homesteaders of Oregon, or the pioneers of the Dakotas.

But that's all moot because just as Sarah Palin was NEVER a registered member of the party, even the CBS "sources" who claimed she was registered (or even affiliated) with it has published a retraction. I mean, shit, we all knew it was a non-story anyway, but we should ALL be glad it had enough legs to let YOU make an even bigger asshat of yourself with it.

Dude you are a straight up liar. This is how the republicans stay in power. You have gotten your skull fucked in every time you try and debate a substantive issue. You can only spin and distort so much. Her husband supports the AIP. She was involved with the AIP according to the AIP's leadership. She panders to the AIP. She supports the ...AIP. The AIP supports secession and calls the U.S. a failed stated in economic and social decline.

But hey, you are right the U.S. is a big bully and should quit picking on Alaska. They have a right to secede. Fuck America huh Khorum?

[gn0me]

Originally Posted by Khorum

So NOT ONLY has the CBS "source" that claimed Palin was in any way affiliated with the AIP officially retracted its claim but now you give us a video proof of Palin personally calling the AIP her "competition" while at the same time articulating that dedication to individual liberty and state sovereignty that distinguished her in the first place.

Nice find.

Proof she was pandering to an anti-American secessionist group that her husband recently belonged to, and as of 2008 she still has an obvious sweet spot for. What sort of judgment does it show for a sitting Governor to be addressing such an anti-American group? If Obama addressed a similar group you would shit your fucking pants with glee.

I hope Palin wears an extra big flag lapel pin tomorrow night to prove her patriotism.

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

Unfortunately the vast majority of abortions are not due to those circumstances so stop acting like its a glorified process saving us from 3 headed incest spawn.


I'm not for abortion as a form of birth control which is exactly what its being used for right now.

You want to give an option to those that will die because of their child or got raped / incest then I'm all for it but that isn't what the liberals want nor the die hard conservatives.


How about we ignore the fringe freaks for once? Unfortunately those are the people that show up at the polls.

Are you a woman? If not, shut the fuck up about abortion.

Palin sucks, Obama is a commie, etc etc etc.

Carry on.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by The Noble Savage

Ok, we'll just ignore the fact that a huge base of the Republican party believe that gays will burn in hell and that AIDS was created by god to punish them for their sins. And we'll ignore Bush trying to amend the constitution to make same sex marriage illegal. We have a picture of Lynn Cheney holding her daughters adopted son, nothing else matters.

Oh how about let's NOT ignore it. How about you show us evidence of this "HUGE" base of the Republican Party that believe gays will burn in hell? How about you show us just EXACTLY how huge that base was earlier this year when John McCain, who OPPOSED the Gay Marriage Ban so vociferously, won an astonishing 78% of the Republican Electorate---around 1600 delegates versus 260 for Mike Huckabee, who was a former pastor.

How "HUGE" was that base really?

You wanna talk about the gay marriage ban and how George Bush "tried to ban" it? Well why don't you explain why between Barack Obama, Joe Biden, John McCain and George Bush ONLY John McCain OPPOSED the gay marriage ban while Barack Obama in fact shares the same position on the matter as George Bush's "No to Marriage, Yes to Civil Unions". I mean, it's not like you can explain why Joe Biden was one of the sponsors of the ORIGINAL defense of marriage act prohibiting gay marriage.

Furthermore, as far as genuine executive backbone on this issue is concerned (as opposed to Obama's magical ability to REFUSE to vote on subjects as touchy as congress' weekend hours) why don't you explain how Sarah Palin's very first veto as the governor of the state of Alaska was used to protect the benefits of Gay workers.

No, let's NOT ignore any facts. If __YOU__ some wealth of information on the "vast" majority of gay support Obama or Biden have rendered, please do share. Because from here it looks like Obama is on the EXACT same side as dubya, Biden is to the right of them and the only people who have gone to bat for America's faggots are John McCain and Sarah Palin.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by gn0me

Proof she was pandering to an anti-American secessionist group that her husband recently belonged to, and as of 2008 she still has an obvious sweet spot for. What sort of judgment does it show for a sitting Governor to be addressing such an anti-American group? If Obama addressed a similar group you would shit your fucking pants with glee.

I hope Palin wears an extra big flag lapel pin tomorrow night to prove her patriotism.

Such an "anti-American" group? The group is RUNNING for AMERICAN office and the most anti-American thing they've expressed is the exact same sentiments Thomas Jefferson articulated about the intrusion of Federal power into state rights. The group expresses their embrace of the US military on their own fucking FAQ. The group expresses that their sole wish to REMAIN in the USA but compel the Federal Government to reduce their unconstitutional intrusion into state law.

In the video YOU provided she expressed, in no uncertain terms, that the AIP was her competition and that although the AIP represents the sentiments of many frustrated Alaskans (and let's face it, practically EVERY libertarian in the country) she most certainly doesn't share those views.

So WHAT anti-American sentiment did she express in that video when in fact she spent much of it explaining how she was in opposition to the AIP in the first place?

And while YES if Sarah Palin had attended the AIP world convention like Obama had attended Farrakhan's million-man march I would be disappointed. If Sarah Palin had employed senior AIP activists as senior staff members in her administration like Obama had employed senior Farrakhan officers as his Treasurer and Director I MIGHT be a little upset.

But as it is, the grievances of the AIP reside in the Republican belief in states' rights and how the Federal Government's draconian restrictions of Alaskan mining rights are in violation of their constitution. I can certainly sympathize. And ultimately, Sarah Palin not only has never been registered with the AIP nor been affiliated with them in a significant manner, but even the "source" that started the ridiculous claim has retracted its story anyway.

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by Ronne

Are you a woman? If not, shut the fuck up about abortion.

Palin sucks, Obama is a commie, etc etc etc.

Carry on.

Whats wrong? You pissed off because you missed and stuck the vacuum hose up your ass instead of your twat?

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by Khorum

I belong to the party that was BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE to extinguish the most egregious miscarriage of justice in American history: Slavery. I belong to the party that when asked the question "Is freedom more valuable than life?" we responded not with hollow speeches or empty promises but we MARCHED TO WAR to acclaim that YES, life is meaningless without CHOICE.

LOL you dumb bitch, you just sit in a chair and type. Stop trying to take credit for other peoples work and sacrifice. What you type now is a hollow speech.

Oh, and I know what is wrong with you now. You never developed any critical thinking skills. You are unable to think in a dynamic way. I can tell by examining how you come to your conclusions based on the data you present (your shitty little links). After examining your data, it's very clear how you always jump to conclusions, never considering how you may have come to it haphazardly. This is why the only people who take you seriously are those not trained to think critically; dynamically; scientifically.

I could go into further detail but there is never a point in conversing with mentally unstable people such as yourself.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

you shouldnt be whining so hard, you should be happy cuz now Obama has this election all sewn up. or has he? lol

Nobody will ever underestimate the stupidity of the American people who voted for Bush twice. They may be fooled by all this military, flag pin, family values, kill Muslim Terrorists, God and country bullshit coming from this fucked up, geriatric, Jim Crow party this week. The old coot and his trophy VP could slide into the White House.

[Malakriss]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Such an "anti-American" group? The group is RUNNING for AMERICAN office and the most anti-American thing they've expressed is the exact same sentiments Thomas Jefferson articulated about the intrusion of Federal power into state rights. The group expresses their embrace of the US military on their own fucking FAQ. The group expresses that their sole wish to REMAIN in the USA but compel the Federal Government to reduce their unconstitutional intrusion into state law.

In the video YOU provided she expressed, in no uncertain terms, that the AIP was her competition and that although the AIP represents the sentiments of many frustrated Alaskans (and let's face it, practically EVERY libertarian in the country) she most certainly doesn't share those views.

So WHAT anti-American sentiment did she express in that video when in fact she spent much of it explaining how she was in opposition to the AIP in the first place?

That isn't a wish, that isn't a discussion, debate, argument or even an excuse. That is a blatant dictation and a threat, neither of which is anywhere close to politics or innocent expression of sentiment. "Give us our demand now or we secede!"

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by earthfell

LOL you dumb bitch, you just sit in a chair and type. Stop trying to take credit for other peoples work and sacrifice. What you type now is a hollow speech.

Oh, and I know what is wrong with you now. You never developed any critical thinking skills. You are unable to think in a dynamic way. I can tell by examining how you come to your conclusions based on the data you present (your shitty little links). After examining your data, it's very clear how you always jump to conclusions, never considering how you may have come to it haphazardly. This is why the only people who take you seriously are those not trained to think critically; dynamically; scientifically.

I could go into further detail but there is never a point in conversing with mentally unstable people such as yourself.

LOL how's that meth plant in your trailer working out? Must be tough holding on to your flunky job with that community college degree while illiterate mexicans outwork, outearn and outthink you huh.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by The Noble Savage

You sir are a ridiculous troll. You link articles and stories that are vaguely related to the argument you're trying to prove or sometimes not at all and try to pass them off as proof of the validity of your points . Then you hide it by recoloring the text and wording the link like it's some kind of grand proof and pray no one actually bothers to read it and call you on it. You dodge argument's you know you can't drown out with insults and straw mans and completely avoid any good valid counter discussion against anything you post.

Let's take the above link for example. You make the claim that Republicans have a record of gay tolerance; bad choice of words by the way I'm sure the gay community is so grateful for the Republican party for "tolerating" them, yet your link is nothing but a story of how Cheney took a picture with his lesbian daughter's adopted son. Really, that's amazing. Properly captioning a picture passes as "gay tolerance"? Really?

Ok, we'll just ignore the fact that a huge base of the Republican party believe that gays will burn in hell and that AIDS was created by god to punish them for their sins. And we'll ignore Bush trying to amend the constitution to make same sex marriage illegal. We have a picture of Lynn Cheney holding her daughters adopted son, nothing else matters.

I think it's about time Khorum should be exposed for the fool that he is.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by Khorum

LOL how's that meth plant in your trailer working out? Must be tough holding on to your flunky job with that community college degree while illiterate mexicans outwork, outearn and outthink you huh.

Yeah, it's tough going to the #1 public university in the world with a full scholarship.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by earthfell

I think it's about time Khorum should be exposed for the fool that he is.

About TIME? LOL you sad, clueless twat. I've been ASKING for anyone to dispute every fact I've laid out instead of the ad-hominems and appeals-to-false-authority that get passed around here by liberals as "argument". I've had an OPEN CHALLENGE to any Obama supporter around here to provide genuine empirical evidence that Obama has EVER expressed the ability, the courage and the determination he has claimed to have in abundance.

Why don't you go ahead and "expose" my assertions about Barack Hussein Obama's 17-year long career colluding with KNOWN terrorists like William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn. Or maybe you can "expose" Obama's two-decade dependance on convicted Arab influence peddler Antonin Rezko, who NOT ONLY discovered Obama in the first place but financed every political campaign he ever had.

Why don't you apply that "critical thinking" and expose how Obama STOLE his very first election from a community Activist who did genuine work for the poor of chicago? Or maybe you can use expose how Obama served TWO YEARS on a foundation created by Rashid Khalidi, an avowed supporter of Palestinian Terror organizations like Hamas. Maybe you can expose how Barack Obama published his admiration of Jeremiah Wright's caustic flavor of black separatism not once, but twice.

You should try and expose how Obama fought sooo hard to suppress the truth about his work in ACORN, wherein Obama shuffled more than 800,000 in slush funds to various radical causes outside the group's nonpartisan and non-profit IRS designation. Or maybe you can work on exposing Obama's inexplicable vacillation on the amount of money he's been given from Rezko (1.2 million from 13,000. Yeah) or the fact that of the 112 million dollars in public contracts Rezko filched, 110 million were in Obama's district.

Want more? Hey, why don't you use some of that "dynamic thinking" on that and I'll prepare the rest of the case against Barack Obama's career as the most incompetent and corrupt state senator in my City's incomparable history of corrupt politicians.

It sounds like you're REAL FUCKING EAGER to start a-exposing, maybe you can do a decent job of it where every other fucking obamanista around here has so utterly failed.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Malakriss

That isn't a wish, that isn't a discussion, debate, argument or even an excuse. That is a blatant dictation and a threat, neither of which is anywhere close to politics or innocent expression of sentiment. "Give us our demand now or we secede!"

Actually at they DON'T want to secede but to revert to a US territory like Puerto Rico. But that's moot because it doesn't matter what they believe. Thanks to the hard work of CBS and folks like gn0me, now we know that Palin was never registered or ever officially affiliated with AIP anyway.