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08-02-2008, 12:12 PM
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08-02-2008, 12:30 PM
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08-02-2008, 12:39 PM
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Sorry but I don't like living in a nation with a radical police system who dole out justice as they see fit. I'd rather prevent crime than deal with it over and over again. | |
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08-02-2008, 01:06 PM
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Someone would kill you with a knife... If no one had knives... Someone would kill you with a rock... If no one had rocks... We could just lock everyone into their own pod at birth, never to interact with anyone else, maybe that is the solution!
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08-02-2008, 01:18 PM
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The government will spend ridiculous amounts of money on incarcerating people, but will not spend anywhere near an equal amount on rehabilitation to try and prevent them from spending the rest of their life in and out of prison. The system doesn't promote rehabilitation, it promotes vengeance. It isn't trying to prevent future crimes, it is simply trying to punish people in a twisted attempt to make the victim's relatives feel like there is some sort of closure. Rather than try to sate society's perverse desire for vengeance, I would prefer that the justice system actually work towards helping to rehabilitate offenders, rather than simply writing them off as convicts for the rest of their lives. But then again, why would we listen to the people who have spent their entire lives researching human behavior and how to effect positive change? Much easier to throw them into a cell and treat them like they're somehow less than human. | |
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08-02-2008, 01:19 PM
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| how do you rehabilitate someone who's brain doesn't work the way society would prefer it works? You can't.
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08-02-2008, 02:08 PM
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+26 Internets | He won't get re-hab outside of whatever prison offers, he won't likely spend more than 5 years in jail either. We had a few years ago in B.C. a 16 year old kid tried to do a gas and run, the 20 year old or whatever attendant attempted to stop him. The 16 year old ran him over and dragged him 7.5 km under his car, obviously killing him. The crime was such that in B.C. we now how Grants law, named for the victim. Which states that all purchases of Gasoline must now be paid for prior to pumping said fuel. Despite that, the kid, tried as an adult only served I think 5 years, He's due for parole in a couple months, though he had some time added to his sentence for Violence. Killing someone for 12 dollars gas when you are 16 might not be as cold blooded as what this guy did, however it did bother the Canadian Government enough to bring in a law protecting attendants. Worksafe B.C. ruled that the Gas Station was at fault for not enforcing their rules of Attendants staying inside. The prison near where I live has a Golf course, surrounded by a 5 foot tall chain link fence with no wire of any kind. When I was a kid I jumped that fence to retrieve a hockey ball. That same prison is where the kid that killed Grant resides. It's a joke, but almost serious that you'll likely spend more time in jail for cheating your taxes here or fucking the government over in some way, than you would raping and murdering someone, so long as you behave well in prison.This guy that beheaded that dude will be coddled by the system and released in the next 6 years, depending on how long it takes for them to go to trial. Though the beauty of that is, you can spend a couple years in jail waiting on trial, and get a sentence saying 4 years or whatever, but the time served prior counts to that. So by the time the guy gets tried and sent to prison he might only spend a year or two there. Which I am sure is ample time to rehabilitate such an individual. Vigilante justice is a very common topic amongst public debate here, and for good reason. Our justice system is our countries greatest failure, and it seems like the only way it's going to get served is by the citizens. |
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08-02-2008, 02:14 PM
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08-02-2008, 02:32 PM
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I'm not saying that no criminals have mental disorders, but not everyone with a mental disorder is a criminal. You can't generalize between the two. | |
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08-02-2008, 02:48 PM
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08-02-2008, 03:23 PM
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