Canadian guts and beheads random boy on a bus

[Vehn]

Originally Posted by Warrian

It's too bad I wasn't on this bus. I would have pulled out my Berreta within a matter of seconds and fire off a warning shot. If he didn't stop, well... he got his warning.

P.S. All of you sea lawyers can get fucked.

that wouldn't exactly be self defense though would it?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Vehn

that wouldn't exactly be self defense though would it?

You saying it would be wrong to save someone's life?

[TheMarauder]

Originally Posted by Rush

U Mad?

He doesn't deserve a trial. He doesn't deserve a chance for rehabilitation. 34 passengers on that bus saw what could be the most gruesome thing they will ever see in their lives. 1 guy got his head completely cut off and then gutted, and is now obviously dead. Why waste money reforming this mentally disturbed person? He had his chance to live right, wish I could say the same for his victim.

Through trial, we can discover motives and other information relating to the man. This information can be used to help people who may be on the road to becoming like this man and we can stop this from happening.

Sorry but I don't like living in a nation with a radical police system who dole out justice as they see fit. I'd rather prevent crime than deal with it over and over again.

[Frax]

Originally Posted by Simas

You fucking hippies. Everyone knows guns dont cause problems, they solve problems. After all the problem of violence can only be solved with more violence. Societies with more guns are safer. Look at the middle east!

Guns for all!

If no one had guns...
Someone would kill you with a knife...
If no one had knives...
Someone would kill you with a rock...
If no one had rocks...


We could just lock everyone into their own pod at birth, never to interact with anyone else, maybe that is the solution!

[Siawn]

Originally Posted by Senen

I think you missed the obvious fact that hes showing how it fails to stop any thing from happening if this guy gets rehab. Most repeat offenders if you keep up with this kind of shit have had serious rehab and yet they do it again maybe they just like prison and want to return who knows. I'm curious though with your awesome post above enlighten the rest of us on how the justice system and psychology work together to keep people like this from reentering society and becoming repeat offenders.

That's what is wrong with our justice system..... It doesn't work to rehabilitate people. There are numerous studies pointing out the ineffectiveness of our penal system, and how it encourages repeat convictions, rather than reform.

The government will spend ridiculous amounts of money on incarcerating people, but will not spend anywhere near an equal amount on rehabilitation to try and prevent them from spending the rest of their life in and out of prison. The system doesn't promote rehabilitation, it promotes vengeance. It isn't trying to prevent future crimes, it is simply trying to punish people in a twisted attempt to make the victim's relatives feel like there is some sort of closure.

Rather than try to sate society's perverse desire for vengeance, I would prefer that the justice system actually work towards helping to rehabilitate offenders, rather than simply writing them off as convicts for the rest of their lives. But then again, why would we listen to the people who have spent their entire lives researching human behavior and how to effect positive change? Much easier to throw them into a cell and treat them like they're somehow less than human.

[Frax]

how do you rehabilitate someone who's brain doesn't work the way society would prefer it works? You can't.

[Surlok TP]

He won't get re-hab outside of whatever prison offers, he won't likely spend more than 5 years in jail either.

We had a few years ago in B.C. a 16 year old kid tried to do a gas and run, the 20 year old or whatever attendant attempted to stop him. The 16 year old ran him over and dragged him 7.5 km under his car, obviously killing him.

The crime was such that in B.C. we now how Grants law, named for the victim. Which states that all purchases of Gasoline must now be paid for prior to pumping said fuel. Despite that, the kid, tried as an adult only served I think 5 years, He's due for parole in a couple months, though he had some time added to his sentence for Violence. Killing someone for 12 dollars gas when you are 16 might not be as cold blooded as what this guy did, however it did bother the Canadian Government enough to bring in a law protecting attendants. Worksafe B.C. ruled that the Gas Station was at fault for not enforcing their rules of Attendants staying inside.


The prison near where I live has a Golf course, surrounded by a 5 foot tall chain link fence with no wire of any kind. When I was a kid I jumped that fence to retrieve a hockey ball. That same prison is where the kid that killed Grant resides.


It's a joke, but almost serious that you'll likely spend more time in jail for cheating your taxes here or fucking the government over in some way, than you would raping and murdering someone, so long as you behave well in prison.This guy that beheaded that dude will be coddled by the system and released in the next 6 years, depending on how long it takes for them to go to trial.

Though the beauty of that is, you can spend a couple years in jail waiting on trial, and get a sentence saying 4 years or whatever, but the time served prior counts to that. So by the time the guy gets tried and sent to prison he might only spend a year or two there. Which I am sure is ample time to rehabilitate such an individual.

Vigilante justice is a very common topic amongst public debate here, and for good reason. Our justice system is our countries greatest failure, and it seems like the only way it's going to get served is by the citizens.

[Chrisb3]

Originally Posted by Frax

If no one had guns...
Someone would kill you with a knife...
If no one had knives...
Someone would kill you with a rock...
If no one had rocks...


We could just lock everyone into their own pod at birth, never to interact with anyone else, maybe that is the solution!

I want some of those semi automatic rocks.

[Siawn]

Originally Posted by Frax

how do you rehabilitate someone who's brain doesn't work the way society would prefer it works? You can't.

In this particular case, the man is obviously disturbed. He needs therapy, and possibly medication. My issue is that the poster I replied to was acting as though there is no difference between a criminal and someone who has a mental disorder. There is a WORLD of difference.

I'm not saying that no criminals have mental disorders, but not everyone with a mental disorder is a criminal. You can't generalize between the two.

[TheMarauder]

Originally Posted by Frax

how do you rehabilitate someone who's brain doesn't work the way society would prefer it works? You can't.

That is an awful concise way of voicing 'fact' without backing it up whatsoever...

[Frax]

Originally Posted by Siawn

In this particular case, the man is obviously disturbed. He needs therapy, and possibly medication. My issue is that the poster I replied to was acting as though there is no difference between a criminal and someone who has a mental disorder. There is a WORLD of difference.

I'm not saying that no criminals have mental disorders, but not everyone with a mental disorder is a criminal. You can't generalize between the two.

What is the difference to the poor kid who got fishgutted on the Greyhound? He still died horribly because of what seat he picked out on the bus.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by Warrian

It's too bad I wasn't on this bus. I would have pulled out my Berreta within a matter of seconds and fire off a warning shot. If he didn't stop, well... he got his warning.

P.S. All of you sea lawyers can get fucked.

and then you'd be charged with illegal firearm discharge and destruction of propery and probably get a harder sentence than that guy.

Originally Posted by Vehn

that wouldn't exactly be self defense though would it?

Self defense includes other people in most civilized countries.

Originally Posted by Siawn

In this particular case, the man is obviously disturbed. He needs t...

He needs one fucking thing. The French invented it.

[Simas]

Originally Posted by Frax

If no one had guns...
Someone would kill you with a knife...
If no one had knives...
Someone would kill you with a rock...
If no one had rocks...


We could just lock everyone into their own pod at birth, never to interact with anyone else, maybe that is the solution!

You're fucking right brosef! These fucking hippies just dont get it. But you didnt go far enough! If I've got a gun whats to stop someone with a bigger gun from killing me? Criminals can have assualt rifles why cant I? Hell the terrorists have Anthrax and airplanes and WMD's. To be truly safe every law abiding citizen should be allowed chemical weapons for personal use. The government has infringed on our rights for too long! McVeigh clearly had the right idea. Fight the fucking power.

We dont need pods, we need more fucking weapons!

[Frax]

Originally Posted by Simas

You're fucking right brosef! These fucking hippies just dont get it. But you didnt go far enough! If I've got a gun whats to stop someone with a bigger gun from killing me? Criminals can have assualt rifles why cant I? Hell the terrorists have Anthrax and airplanes and WMD's. To be truly safe every law abiding citizen should be allowed chemical weapons for personal use. The government has infringed on our rights for too long! McVeigh clearly had the right idea. Fight the fucking power.

We dont need pods, we need more fucking weapons!

You think people didn't murder people before the invention of firearms or steel?

[Simas]

Originally Posted by Frax

You think people didn't murder people before the invention of firearms or steel?

No bro they did! And then when we got firearms it put a stop to that shit right fucking quick like. Because guns solve problems, these hippie fucks just dont get it.