Obama vs. McCain II

[Araxen]

Give Sean Hannity some time. I'm sure he's not skilled enough in Photoshop yet, but he will be by the time his show is on the air tonight on Fox News.

[Laedrun]

Am I the only one that sees this trip as an epic blunder on Obama's part? One of the biggest things that got Bush...lawl...reelected was him not bowing to eurosocialists on our foreign policy. Someone mentioned the "scare tactic" of socialism being used against Obama, does it count as "scare tactic" if he uses it against himself?

Do the liberal kids think the animosity between America and europe is a one way street? I know if france and/or germany had endorsed Mccain Most conservatives would stay home on election day. (well, not really, they'd know it was a trick) ;p

[Araxen]

Another day...another gaffee found with Grandpa at the helm of it.

Cenk Uygur: Another John McCain Gaffe -- Iraq Was the First Major Conflict After 9/11

There is one more John McCain gaffe that the media missed from the now famous CBS interview with Katie Couric.

This is the same interview in which McCain claimed the surge led to the Anbar Awakening, which is demonstrably false. But watch below for another gaffe when McCain says Iraq was the first major conflict after 9/11.

Was Afghanistan not major enough for him? It almost reminds you of when Don Rumsfeld was not impressed with invading Afghanistan because it did not provide a rich enough target environment. He needed something more major.

In all likelihood, this was a simple mental mistake for McCain, among a litany of others recently. But it does go toward state of mind. They never saw Afghanistan as a priority.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Laedrun

Am I the only one that sees this trip as an epic blunder on Obama's part? One of the biggest things that got Bush...lawl...reelected was him not bowing to eurosocialists on our foreign policy. Someone mentioned the "scare tactic" of socialism being used against Obama, does it count as "scare tactic" if he uses it against himself?

Do the liberal kids think the animosity between America and europe is a one way street? I know if france and/or germany had endorsed Mccain Most conservatives would stay home on election day. (well, not really, they'd know it was a trick) ;p

Well it's pretty obvious that Obama and Bush are not after the same voters, in general. I think Obama is trying to appeal across the board in a way, but stay true to his base. His base generally appreciates that foreign policy is important.

[Eduardo]

What is this 'vote' thing you people keep talking about? OH YEAH, that thing where people pretend like they are helping to make a decision about who is running our government, and the government pretends that the people actually made a choice.

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by Laedrun

Am I the only one that sees this trip as an epic blunder on Obama's part? One of the biggest things that got Bush...lawl...reelected was him not bowing to eurosocialists on our foreign policy. Someone mentioned the "scare tactic" of socialism being used against Obama, does it count as "scare tactic" if he uses it against himself?

Do the liberal kids think the animosity between America and europe is a one way street? I know if france and/or germany had endorsed Mccain Most conservatives would stay home on election day. (well, not really, they'd know it was a trick) ;p

I hate to break up the collective Obama circle jerk but I tend to agree.

I'd argue most of the democratic base they are trying to attract this election have little desire to replicate the politics or policies of Europe nor do they care who would be elected there should our elections be held overseas.

Not that I think McCain is running a good campaign he isn't. At least those little old ladies will actual go out and vote. I don't think Obama is scoring any votes over seas instead he is making himself look like a mega liberal which doesn't sell so well here.

Regardless at this stage in the campaign its totally meaningless. The American public's attention span only lasts about a month or two tops.

[MrGraham]

There was a big thing on NPR about ex-pat votes overseas and how it's traditionally gone Republican because of military people ... how does that work? Is there an electoral college group for people out of the country? Or does it just count for the last state they lived in?

[Laedrun]

Originally Posted by MrGraham

There was a big thing on NPR about ex-pat votes overseas and how it's traditionally gone Republican because of military people ... how does that work? Is there an electoral college group for people out of the country? Or does it just count for the last state they lived in?

it goes to their home states

[Soriak]

McCain attacked Obama on his lack of foreign travels and how supposedly nobody knew him. Nothing counters that like 200,000 people coming to cheer for him in Berlin.

As for soldiers on bases: do they get a wide-ranging selection of news? Or is it Fox News 24/7?

And from the McCain campaign:

McCain Camp Attacks Obama's Holocaust Museum Statement

The McCain campaign implied on Wednesday that Barack Obama's commitment to preventing a future genocide was not sincere, attacking the Democratic candidate during his appearance at the Israeli Holocaust Memorial Yad Vashem.

[K`Lag]

While this is your election for your country, for better or worse USA's influence greatly spills over to the rest of the world, and in the current global interconnected world (at least in developed nations) you ignore foreign opinion at your peril.

While McCain will potentially be a much better president than Bush is right now, turning 8 failed years (at least in Europeans eyes and judging by current approval ratings many Americans too) of Republicans into 12 will probably lead to a lot more unfriendly people around the world, this is unless McCain manages to pull off an improbable charm offensive when he takes up office. Obama is in no way a guarantor of better relations with other countries, however, he will be riding a massive wave of change (in political terms, not his rhetoric) which should put him at a much better footing to fix the USA's image across the world, and trust me, you really do need to fix it.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Zora

Or this, also from Germany. McCain really ought to try and get some photos with people under age 40. Hell, even under age 60 would be better.

Hey. McCain has his legions of adoring fans also.

[Heavens_Myst]

As long as those Obama pics are with throngs of eurotrash keep putting em up!

[Gurgeh]

Originally Posted by Laedrun

Do the liberal kids think the animosity between America and europe is a one way street? I know if france and/or germany had endorsed Mccain Most conservatives would stay home on election day. (well, not really, they'd know it was a trick) ;p

Europe is most certainly better off with McCain president. With McCain president, European leaders will still be mostly unable to follow US policy because of massive popular disaproval (a few leaders got elected mainly because they disaproved US policy). So with another republican to ruin even more US economy and working hard on being hated everywhere would be better for Europe.
Hell if Obama asked for help in Iraq he might even get it. No chance anyone would send half a dozen soldier for McCain, would be political seppuku. And then maybe we can get Obama to run for presidency in the EU when we finaly get to vote... He's probably more suited for that job anyway.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

I hate to break up the collective Obama circle jerk but I tend to agree.

I'd argue most of the democratic base they are trying to attract this election have little desire to replicate the politics or policies of Europe nor do they care who would be elected there should our elections be held overseas.

Not that I think McCain is running a good campaign he isn't. At least those little old ladies will actual go out and vote. I don't think Obama is scoring any votes over seas instead he is making himself look like a mega liberal which doesn't sell so well here.

Regardless at this stage in the campaign its totally meaningless. The American public's attention span only lasts about a month or two tops.

I don't understand where anyone said anything about emulating the policies of Europe.

I think you're wrong, and I think that many people do care about our relations with foreign countries, Europe in particular. But I don't think this is an issue that sways many one way or another, I think it's just another thing for fanboys on either side to point at.

I don't think it's meaningless, McCain should be able to use this event and others like it to paint Obama as the looming liberal threat to his base. However, McCain's campaign is pretty ineffective so I dubt that will happen.

[Laedrun]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Hey. McCain has his legions of adoring fans also.

so, we have a pic of Mccain and a couple of people who actually like him and a pic of Obama and a massive crowd of irrelevance?

a stunning victory IRB!! ;p

and to the euro guy, America sorta needs the saudis for oil, Israel and India because they have nukes and their location, we need China because they make our stuff. I cant think of any reason france or germany would be missed if they blew themselves up in protest tomorrow over our election, I'd miss Radiohead if england blew itself up, plus they back us up militarily... but y'know shit happens ;p. I just dont see your line of reasoning, the "need" and "at your own peril" parts.