Obama vs. McCain II

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Yeah, yeah, it is Countdown, but you can ignore most of what Olbermann is saying, aside from the clip set up.



Do you really think McCain is considering the draft or he just wasn't paying attention?

[Agraza]

I agree, we should draft old ladies. Is it even up to him? I've heard more than one army official saying that their all-volunteer status is more helpful than harmful.

He just wanted to avoid having it out with an old white lady, likely a strong base of support given his opponent. I don't know what his position is on the draft, but I think he would defer to those in that manage the military were he elected president.

[Tolanin]

I dunno why we would institute a new draft, our professional military is by far more effective than any conscript army has ever been... i mean didnt the draft basically suck in vietnam? not only did no one want to be there but they werent very good soldiers either =/

olbermann is such a retard though it makes me angry just to hear that asshole open his mouth... he is in the exact same arena as hannity in that he is so far off center and so biased that no one who doesnt think like him even cares what he says... he might actually be worse since he doesnt even expend much effort in trying to pretend that he is fair and balanced.

[Sinter1]

John McCain is a fraud desperately trying to win votes. He is too old to run any country I live in period. Personally I think if someone like McCain won, we'd be a bigger target for a further terrorist attack.

[Mymn]

Originally Posted by Sinter1

Personally I think if someone like McCain won, we'd be a bigger target for a further terrorist attack.

Hows that, exactly?

[Araxen]

Sean Hannity doesn't pretend to be fair and balanced lol. Even O'Reilly basically calls Hannity a right wing kook.

[TOOL]

Originally Posted by John McCain

I don't know what would make a draft happen unless we were in an all-out World War III.

He said this fairly recently.

Originally Posted by Agraza

I don't know what his position is on the draft, but I think he would defer to those in that manage the military were he elected president.

This might be a shocking revelation to you, but the Commander in Chief is THE manager of the military. If you pick your Commander in Chief based on which one is going to "defer" to his subordinates, you're picking your Commander in Chief dead fucking wrong.

If elected Commander in Chief, I don't believe John McCain would do anything at all to avoid World War III. There's no doubt in my mind that John McCain would expedite World War III if he had the opportunity.

It would be so easy for Obama's campaign to grind McCain's alleged judgment into the dirt when it comes to foreign relations and the military. Fear mongering is a very Republican thing to do though, and I think Obama doesn't want to stoop that low.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Mymn

Hows that, exactly?

Have you heard the man speak about Iran? Or Syria? He's a goddamn walking international gaffe machine. Electing him is basically voting for war with Iran.

I agree with Agraza, I used to respect both of these men a lot more than I do now, and watching them both compromise their values in order to pander to the right wing has been painful. I don't have much faith in either. I'll still vote for Obama, because I think he's the most likely to try and avoid more war in the middle east. But he has definitely changed.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by chaos

Have you heard the man speak about Iran? Or Syria? He's a goddamn walking international gaffe machine. Electing him is basically voting for war with Iran.

I agree with Agraza, I used to respect both of these men a lot more than I do now, and watching them both compromise their values in order to pander to the right wing has been painful. I don't have much faith in either. I'll still vote for Obama, because I think he's the most likely to try and avoid more war in the middle east. But he has definitely changed.

War with Iran will happen no matter who gets elected. Bet your first born on it.

Its simple:

Iran is crazy
Iran are building nukes
Iran wont stop building nukes unless forced.
Crazy people are better dead than having nuclear weapons.

No one, especially the US and Israel, but also including every other tin pot state in the middle east, want Iran with nuclear weapons. No one.

They either get rid of their crazy religious leadership or they get war. It matters not who is leading the US. They both know the stakes.

[Regime]

sucks that the majority of Iranian people are pretty moderate who despise arabs.

For anyone interested please pick up this month's issue of National Geographic. It's cover story is an amazing article about Persia past and present with sources from my professor and written by his colleague.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by Regime

sucks that the majority of Iranian people are pretty moderate who despise arabs.

For anyone interested please pick up this month's issue of National Geographic. It's cover story is an amazing article about Persia past and present with sources from my professor and written by his colleague.

Yep, but its a shame thats not important. Whats important is the crazy arse, fatwah spewing religous freaks running the show.

[chaos]

Originally Posted by rinthea

War with Iran will happen no matter who gets elected. Bet your first born on it.

Its simple:

Iran is crazy
Iran are building nukes
Iran wont stop building nukes unless forced.
Crazy people are better dead than having nuclear weapons.

No one, especially the US and Israel, but also including every other tin pot state in the middle east, want Iran with nuclear weapons. No one.

They either get rid of their crazy religious leadership or they get war. It matters not who is leading the US. They both know the stakes.

Just about every word of this post is incorrect. Except the fact that they are crazy. That's true. And I'm sure no one watns Iran with nukes. Luckily, they don't have them. I know the IAEA says so. So does US intelligence.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by chaos

Just about every word of this post is incorrect. Except the fact that they are crazy. That's true. And I'm sure no one watns Iran with nukes. Luckily, they don't have them. I know the IAEA says so. So does US intelligence.

My apologies, I dont have the patience to go into greater detail.
Everything is right. Your wrong, contradict yourself and irrelevant. Go suck a dick.

[chaos]

What the fuck are you talking about? So you have the evidence of Iran's nukes that have eluded every single organization, wordlwide, who has looked into it? But yeah we've been through this before with Iraq, so we should just pretty much trust what Republican pundits say on the issue and ignore actual facts. Is that your point? Or do you even have one? They don't have nukes or a program to create nukes. According to the evidence, you're full of shit.

[Jedah]

Originally Posted by Heavens_Myst

The reason conservatives want federal amendments isn't so they get to force their values on the rest of the country, it's because that is the only protection they have to some federal judge negating what their own state decided.

Any state decision regarding same-sex marriages is naturally going to fall under federal legal jurisdiction sooner or later because of the full faith and credit clause; theres no avoiding a national standard on the issue.