Ice on Mars - Confirmed?

[Etwynn]

Originally Posted by Fammaden

Well, that would be nice but the OP built his entire post around it so amazingly that's how many of the replies have gone. Really, if any of you think that even finding full on aliens with a bat phone to a higher power would dissuade terrestrial religious zealots from their opinions then you need to put down the pipe.

I don't think anyone seriously believes that ice on mars --> end of religion.

[Scientologist]

So where does Xenu fit into all of this? I really need to know so I can tell my fellow OTIV's

[Lumie]

So where does Xenu fit into all of this? I really need to know so I can tell my fellow OTIV's

I don't think he fits anywhere since he isn't real.

The only aliens that exist are angels. The whole universe is populated by only angels and humans and that is it.

Yeah I'd totally code life to produce the bible which says that everything is 5000 years old (lie).

Please tell me where it says that everything is 5,000 years old in the Bible because I guarantee you cannot. Most ignorant people like you who think they know what the Bible says without ever having read it are the reasons for all of these misconceptions. Such as people thinking that Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth and that the Bible says the earth is flat because of a passage that says the four corners of the earth. Maybe if you actually read more and stopped misinterpreting everything, you might actually get somewhere.

I think the people that only believe life evolved from some sludge are less scientific than people that believe in some type of creator.

Just think of generations of people like Anders Hejlsberg and Grace Murray Hopper combined with top robotic scientists and biologists having offspring. Anyone that thinks we couldn't reach a point where we could design our own organisms isn't very trusting in science.

There is no chance in our universe of billions of solar systems no one could ever be that smart though? And if they created their own world and designed a book about it it would be a lie though?


I guess as a programmer/data modeling person I would like to believe we could achieve the ability to design something that complex some day.

God himself never does something that one of his creations can do. For instance, Jesus is the actual creator of the galaxy we live in and the angels are the ones who populated it, God simply set the stage for the possibilities. The angels are the ones who designed ALL of the living organisms on the planet. There will never be such a thing as a living biological entity that isn't made from DNA, the code of life, and thus all living things come from the same source.

[Screamfeeder]

I really really really want to believe Lumie is just a troll, but having met people just like him at coffee shops and book stores(did so today even) I still think he actually believes this shit.

[Lumie]

Well I don't get why I wouldn't want to believe the truth but ok...

If you've met other people like me then maybe we're the ones on to something and you're actually the clueless one(and you are).

You say you hope I'm trolling but in reality I'm the one hoping you're trolling because I'm the one that actually knows the truth and you're the one living the lie, only you don't know it. The evidence is all over the place and you pass by it without even knowing it. Let me just say you're going to be in for one hell of a surprise.

[Solariss]

Originally Posted by Lumie

Let me just say you're going to be in for one hell of a surprise.

When?

edit: and, hi Lumie

[Lumie]

Hi Frank <3

Originally Posted by Lumie View Post
Let me just say you're going to be in for one hell of a surprise.



When?

Too soon, much too soon.

[Araxen]

Lumie = another IRB sock puppet?

[Lumie]

Who/what is IRB?

and no I'm not competing with anyone, simply letting the truth be known.

Are you telling me Cydonia isn't real or something? If so then you're the crazy one.

[Tea on tuesday]

Originally Posted by Lumie

Are you telling me Cydonia isn't real or something? If so then you're the crazy one.

I'm telling you that, but I'd really like to hear you tell me why I should believe in it.

[Lumie]

What is there to believe in? Am I missing something or are there not dozens and dozens of pictures of pyramids and a face on Mars taken by NASA. Not only do the pictures boast as evidence but the math deciphered from these objects is also proof that they are artificial creations.

This means a great deal. Not only does it prove that intelligent life exists elsewhere but it also provides a link to Earth in that there are pyramids here as well. Not to mention that math deciphered from the Great Pyramid has proven to show a great deal of mathematical links between Earth and Mars. For instance there are two chambers in the Great Pyramid known as the Kings chamber and Queens chamber. The size of these rooms is the same exact ratio between the size of Earth and Mars.

Now if that isn't enough to make you believe then nothing will, although there is a great deal of other amazing links.

[porkyrogue]

Cydonia, a mountain on mars.....

[Cybsled]

Ya, the only problem with the Cydonia stuff is all the theories about civilizations/etc were all based on some grainy ass photo because the resolution sucked shit.

Kinda like if someone had a crap camera, took a picture of a forest, then people went "omg! ITS A GIANT GREEN ORGANISM!!!"...then someone went back with a camera that didn't suck, and suddenly you could see it wasn't one giant green organism, but a bunch of trees.

[PerritoBites]

Theories? Common they are facts! it's a freaking face! Just look at it!

--No, I am not being serious

[Tea on tuesday]

Originally Posted by Lumie

What is there to believe in? Am I missing something or are there not dozens and dozens of pictures of pyramids and a face on Mars taken by NASA. Not only do the pictures boast as evidence but the math deciphered from these objects is also proof that they are artificial creations.

There's quite a bit to believe in. You have to believe that these pyramids and the face are not artifacts of natural erosion processes. You have to believe that intelligent agents, for which no empirical data exists, are a more likely explanation for those objects than the very well understood phenomenon of pareidolia. You have to believe that the mathematical relationships presented, which are no better than random chance, are meaningful relationships. Every step you take towards your theory are steps away from logic, reason, and empirical evidence.

Unlike a lot of people here, I am likely as well read in this variety of pseudoscience and pseudohistory as you, and there likely isn't any source in these matters that you could cite that I haven't read. You want people to open their eyes and look for the evidence? I've seen it, and through reason and science, the absolute best methods we have for determining the likelihood of truth, I have arrived at very different conclusions.

Now, why go into all of this? These are deeply ingrained beliefs for both us and no one is going to change their mind, but I for one am a big fan of crazy people. There is something mystical, something innately Orphic, about them. And I don't hold a large amount of doubt that you actually hold these beliefs. My mom has very, very similar outlooks. I've taken classes taught by some of the people who have written serious books on these things. I've seen some serious crazy.

So, why even bring it up? Because I want to bask in your delusions. I want to feel the searing radiant light from your monitor to mine surround my tired neurons. I am forever reverent of your way of thinking, which I can never hope to understand, but nonetheless find inspiring in the same way as when I look at a painting by Dali or listen to Satie.

Show me the way.

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Above crazy on my behalf is half sarcasm and half profound wonderment