When will MACs...

[Burf]

Like slide said, on desktops, the mouse has left and right click, or you can buy your own Logitech, etc.

The laptops:
click = left-click
command+click = right-click
two fingers on the touchpad + click = right-click
plug in mouse = both

[Malakie Torsade]

I used to think that the worst thing about Macs was Mac users. I've used a Mac at work for about 8 months now and retract that statement. The worst thing about Macs is... Macs.

The mouse thing; I have the Mighty Mouse and it does, in fact, have 2 button functionality. However, Apple, in their never-ending quest to be "same but different" douchebags, made it so that the right and left "buttons" are not visibly distinct. That said, it's a pain to use. Even now sometimes I try to right click and it left clicks (or vice-versa.) The scroll nipple thing also blows ass. All-in-all, it's a piece of shit.

For awhile I brought in my own mouse from home. I plugged it in and... wow, just like they said! It just works!!... well, not exactly. You see, with my mouse (Logitech G5,) mouse acceleration got turned on... even though it isn't on for the standard mouse. The kicker? There is nowhere to turn it off! I had to download a 3rd party app just to change the settings for a very popular mouse. Super.

Mac version of Alt-tab (cmd-tab) sucks. It sometimes shows apps that aren't even open/don't have windows. If you select one of those items, nothing happens. Why in the hell would you give me the icon to select if it doesn't do anything?? Expose' is "pretty" I guess, but why use that when cmd-tab is so much faster?

Many Mac apps I use blow. Parallels crashes/locks up all the damn time. Firefox locks up frequently when viewing sites with Flash and a few plug-ins are unavailable (namely IE tab.) Weird shit happens with the mouse sometimes when switching into/away from my WoW window. Safari sucks. Are these issues Apple's fault directly? Probably not (barring Safari.) However, it mars the "Mac Experience" nonetheless.

The Mac keyboard shocks the hell out of me all the time.

I could go on and on. The bottom line is that I find Macs to be a pain in the ass to use as a power user. The truth of the matter is that Macs are becoming more popular because of 1) name recognition with iPods 2) retards who want to feel like they are different/superior/intelligent by choosing Mac and 3) housewives who don't want their Oprah-watching haven scarred by an ugly 'ol PC. It has nothing to do with superiority*.

If you just want to check your email and look at funny cat videos all day, sure, a Mac is going to work great for you... but so will a PC. Hell, get one with a user-friendly version of Linux pre-installed on it and save yourself a good chunk of change.

Oh, and on Adium... yeah, it works pretty well. However, so does Pidgin. Honestly, I have no preference for either and consider both to be pretty much equal.

* I'm speaking of desktops. I hate laptops and will defer discussion on that to people who actually care.

PS : Vista does suck.

PPS EDIT :

To play devil's advocate, those saying to just buy a PC and change your startup settings, order all the parts and put it together yourself, etc are missing the point. A typical user (ie, someone who just does email, web browsing, printing, etc) has no need or desire to do these things no more than I would want to rebuild my car's engine to get slightly better gas mileage. In general, a computer out-of-the-box should run efficiently and be easy to use for the basic tasks (no matter the OS.) A lot of PC manufacturer's have dropped the ball here by pre-loading them with tons of trash and sub par applications (I'm looking at you, Norton.) This causes it's own set of problems which blackens the eye of all Windows boxes to the general Joes.

[Burf]

Malakie, those are all excellent points. It pretty much follows my point of "get what's right for you."
Safari is inferior to IE, imo.
The right click on the Mighty Mouse is bad, and often left clicks, just like you said. I find I have to click ALLLL the way over on the right (like, almost half way down the right side of the mouse) to get the right click to register.
There are some definite weird differences in the way OS:X works (like the app switching you're talking about). Also, the way that Windows organizes things in explorer is far more intuitive to me (like a filing cabinet). I still haven't figured out where all the shit goes that I install and download. It's like it's in some magical fairy land on the hard drive that I have yet to discover.
I really like iMovie and iPhoto for what I do with them. There are quite a few apps that many people swear by and use on the laptops, imacs and mac pro's (Lightroom, Aperture, Final Cut, for example).

If I had to describe it, I'd put it this way...Mac's are good the average, basic computer user who does the email, web browsing, little bit of photo editing (like you point out in your final paragraph), and they're also good for the extreme, uber power user who has a couple big-time apps that they "gotta have" (these would be the mac pro buyers).

Your FOH power user/game player probably isn't the target market (with a few exceptions, of course).

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Malakie Torsade

I could go on and on. The bottom line is that I find Macs to be a pain in the ass to use as a power user. The truth of the matter is that Macs are becoming more popular because of

1) name recognition with iPods

2) retards who want to feel like they are different/superior/intelligent by choosing Mac and

3) housewives who don't want their Oprah-watching haven scarred by an ugly 'ol PC. It has nothing to do with superiority*.

About #2... this whole fucking thread is nothing but PC geeks masturbating about how superior and intelligent they are for not using Apple computers. But I guess retards choose Apple to feel superior, and assholes choose PC?

I am posting this from a Mac Pro, and it's fucking sweet.

[Braen]

[headspace]

Originally Posted by Dumar

computers are no longer tools. with apple, they've become designer. it's the same thing as clothes. basically, people want gucci or burberry over nike or adidas.

macs are not better than pcs in any way shape or form. but it's better to be seen with a powerbook than a sager or dell.

that's the difference in price for you.

Agreed, and this is one of the main reasons I hate Macs so much. They are for people that want to be different but are still materialistic conformists at heart. For lack or a better word..... posers

On top of that, there are some pretty fucking retarded design decisions made on these things. My girlfriend has a MBP and I really tried to be open minded about it.... Until she asked me to install windows XP on bootcamp. Of course I use a CD with the key written on it with a sharpie. No big deal, I can just eject it when setup asks me for the key, right? Wrong! The CD-ROMs on mac books cannot be ejected unless you are booted into the OS. They don't have an physical eject button.... not even a little emergency pinhole manual release.

So... fuck macs and the mindless followers who buy them.

[Sheaf]

Originally Posted by Dumar

computers are no longer tools. with apple, they've become designer. it's the same thing as clothes. basically, people want gucci or burberry over nike or adidas.

macs are not better than pcs in any way shape or form. but it's better to be seen with a powerbook than a sager or dell.

that's the difference in price for you.

So incredibly wrong. There are big differences between the OS's. Windows is far better for gaming and has a much wider range of software/drivers available that work on it. OS X is far better for photo and video editing, is less susceptible to spyware/adware/viruses (mostly because those things simply don't target OS X usually), and has a cleaner, slicker interface. Also, since Apple makes both the OS and the hardware, they are able to integrate it very well. Mac hardware is really, really well built compared to just about any PC manufacturer out there.

I prefer to use OS X most of the time and switch over to Windows if I'm gonna play a non-Blizzard game.

Time Machine is great and the performance enhancements coming with Snow Leopard look very interesting.

[headspace]

Originally Posted by Sheaf

...........and has a cleaner, slicker interface. .............

Thats a matter of opinion, and I think you would find a lot people disagree. Personally I think the OS X interface hogs up way to much screen real estate.

[Slide]

Originally Posted by Malakie Torsade

The mouse thing; I have the Mighty Mouse and it does, in fact, have 2 button functionality. However, Apple, in their never-ending quest to be "same but different" douchebags, made it so that the right and left "buttons" are not visibly distinct. That said, it's a pain to use. Even now sometimes I try to right click and it left clicks (or vice-versa.) The scroll nipple thing also blows ass. All-in-all, it's a piece of shit.

Apple, good OS shit mouse
MS, good mouse shit OS

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by headspace

Agreed, and this is one of the main reasons I hate Macs so much. They are for people that want to be different but are still materialistic conformists at heart. For lack or a better word..... posers

On top of that, there are some pretty fucking retarded design decisions made on these things. My girlfriend has a MBP and I really tried to be open minded about it.... Until she asked me to install windows XP on bootcamp. Of course I use a CD with the key written on it with a sharpie. No big deal, I can just eject it when setup asks me for the key, right? Wrong! The CD-ROMs on mac books cannot be ejected unless you are booted into the OS. They don't have an physical eject button.... not even a little emergency pinhole manual release.

So... fuck macs and the mindless followers who buy them.

This post is so retarded, hard to even comment.

To say that people who buy macs are posers is the funniest thing I've heard from a PC masturbator. Posing as what? They're not posing as hardcore sysadmins, or gamers... what they posing as? Trendy hipsters? Isn't that what they are even before they buy a mac? Or are uber PC sysadmins like yourself buying macs to pose as trendy hipsters?

Mindless followers? How are hardcore PC masturbators like you not mindless followers of your chosen hardware/OS? Or do you expect me to believe that you're totally open minded to the best hardware and OS, and that just also HAPPENS to be the one you like? Your argument is AT BEST just below the Calvin pissing on a Ford logo.

Oh, and here's a protip for you:

[Sheaf]

Originally Posted by headspace

Thats a matter of opinion, and I think you would find a lot people disagree. Personally I think the OS X interface hogs up way to much screen real estate.

If by too much, you mean a small sliver at the top, then yes. You do realize the dock can be automatically hidden except when your cursor is down there, right?

[JeydaX]

Operating System look shouldn't even be a topic of debate, it's all personal preference. Windows can be modified to look however the fuck you want it to be, so the point is moot on that side.

I also hate Macs but while it is a stereo type calling people who own Macs rich snobs/douchebags, it does have some truth to it. I see it every day where I work but I have to admit I drool anytime someone brings in a Macbook Pro, those things are sleak as fuck.

If I had to chose between a $2k Macbook Pro and a $2k PC I'd probably take the Macbook... that's about as far as I go personally.

[headspace]

Originally Posted by Zeste

This post is so retarded, hard to even comment.


Oh, and here's a protip for you:

I am thrilled I got you so riled up you even took the time to make a screen shot, but apparently you were nerd raging too hard to actually read my post. I said the eject button doesn't work unless you are booted into an OS, not OSX specifically. So for example if you are installing an OS, you have no way to eject the CD -ROM. No way outside of completely dismantling the entire laptop.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by headspace

I am thrilled I got you so riled up you even took the time to make a screen shot, but apparently you were nerd raging too hard to actually read my post. I said the eject button doesn't work unless you are booted into an OS, not OSX specifically. So for example if you are installing an OS, you have no way to eject the CD -ROM. No way outside of completely dismantling the entire laptop.

Except for thats false. The eject function is programmed directly into the firmware of the EFI. But GG, I guess they are too complicated for you.

[headspace]

Dude, in the windows XP setup. That button does not function. Try it yourself if you don't believe me.