Clinton Quits Race

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by earthfell

sexist much?

What did he say that is sexist?

[earthfell]

I have to explain sexism to someone named "manseed" and another who has tits as his avatar...

LOL

I think, had Hillary been a man, salshun wouldn't be nearly as angry

[kegkilla]

Originally Posted by earthfell

I have to explain sexism to someone named "manseed" and another who has tits as his avatar...

LOL

I think, had Hillary been a man, salshun wouldn't be nearly as angry

you are the reason women get beaten

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by earthfell

I have to explain sexism to someone named "manseed" and another who has tits as his avatar...

LOL

I think, had Hillary been a man, salshun wouldn't be nearly as angry

It's people like you who keep sexism and racism alive. The political correctness officers who police the world and make sure that nobody says anything naughty.

[Nakilos]

This is why I will vote for Barack Obama, and I'll preface by saying this is long, and I just felt like posting this so feel free to skip it if you don't care about my opinion. It isn't because he's "my kind of liberal", I have a lot of liberal leanings but to be honest at the start of the whole campaign season, I figured Hillary had the Democratic Nomination on lockdown, and McCain was the only one I actually liked. I agreed with what I thought were his viewpoints, his experience spoke to me, I do have a lot of respect for his service in this country as a Senator.

That being said, somewhere in the Republican primary season, as his finances became problematic, but the other Republican candidates had so many pitfalls. Mitt Romney was his own brand of crazy. I like Mike Huckabee, but he got too "preachy" for me and lacked anything of substance. Guiliani banked on Florida and failed, and bought into his own hype as "America's Mayor" and all that. Somewhere during that time, McCain got some financial boosts, managed to drag along, and the others nominees simply faded away, and in the end it was him and Huckabee, and I just think Huckabee was too much of a bible thumper for most people, or rather they believed McCain was probably the only one who could possibly keep the Presidency Republican, and I don't believe that is incorrect. Either way, along the way McCain's message changed. When he spoke it was full of holes and he kept playing this love hate game with President Bush. I couldn't really grasp what was going on, but he really didn't resemble the politician I actually came to respect. The last straw for me personally which has 100% turned me off McCain was his comments in the Senate regarding the recently proposed G.I. bill - I disliked the personal nature of his attacks on Barack Obama, and I really loathe the mentality that someone is disqualified of an opinion because they did not serve in the military, and that military service places you on some pedestal beyond reproach, and I honestly believe somewhere in that brain of his he thinks hey, I was tortured for 6 years in Vietnam, therefore no one else knows fuck all. We've used lack of military service in the last 8 years as a method of discrediting people, from the Fox News pundits and even from the administration who constantly deified those in military service, and for that to come out of him, I found it purely vile and showed a complete lack of character.

During that time, realistically the Democratic nominee was between Clinton, Edwards, and Obama. The others existed but really had no real shot. I considered my Democratic options, and I actually liked Edwards. I felt like he expressed a lot of unpopular viewpoints that people typically avoided and I respected him for that. People can call him ambulance chaser or mock his haircuts or whatever bullshit, he struck me as someone who came off as consistent and really stuck to those beliefs, and I respected him for that. Of course I knew his shot was really unlikely when the choice is the first woman and the first black president. I can't get behind Hillary Clinton, and I'm not sure why. I respect the fact she is an intelligent person, I don't believe she is an idiot. I don't believe she is an amoral person. She just strikes me as really inhuman, calculating to the core. Her attempts to come off personable came off as downright phony and not even close to genuine. Every time she did a speech in the primaries, I cringed at her shameless pandering to whatever state she happened to be in that night when she won or lost it. I half expected her to drag up some locals, lick their face and exclaim, "No, you are in fact THE REAL SALT OF THE EARTH AMERICAN, ". Barack has done his share of pandering, it just didn't come off as false. I don't believe Hillary Clinton gives a flying fuck about people in West Virginia or Michigan or Ohio, it just really irked me.

During this time, Barack Obama initially struggled to find a voice, get his views out. Months went by really not knowing much about him personally, not knowing where he stood besides being a Democrat and being half black half white. Oh, and his middle name is Hussein, as though someones middle name given to them by their parents as an infant has some kind of significance. He did come off as at least pleasant and likable. We went with likable before and look where we got, however, so I pretty much reserved judgment. Eventually stuff came out, and I found I didn't particularly dislike him. I didn't particularly dislike his views, he found his voice and it just came off as genuine and at times inspiring. In my 25 years, I have little experience with politics, and being an immigrant, I only have a very recent experience with American politics. Until this point I just found American politics completely absurd and really just a crazy show where it was basically a miracle if anything legitimate was accomplished. But the guy just talks and I feel genuinely hopeful. Even if it defies logic, even if he is wholly incompetent. I mean, very few jobs will ACTUALLY prepare someone to be President of the United States, and maybe someone who isn't so cynical from the experience of being a long time politician will work. I mean, this is part of what is exciting to me, his inexperience. I feel like it could go really, really bad, or he can be effective and inventive and really move the country in a positive direction. I also feel as citizens so many people have been so incredibly cynical about being an American. People mock us around the world, the economy is balls, we're in a war we pay for every day that hasn't made us any safer since the minute we landed in Iraq, every day there has been less and less reasons to declare that this is truly the best country on the planet. Just saying you are the best isn't enough.

So in short, I'm voting for Obama because I feel it can't get any worse, and we can use reasons to like our country again. Here is hoping we can find them. Even if it's complete horseshit and short sighted, at this point, what is the difference.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by Manseed

It's people like you who keep sexism and racism alive. The political correctness officers who police the world and make sure that nobody says anything naughty.

What a stupid thing to say.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I knew as soon as I said it everyone would jump on me like a pack of rabid dogs. There's nothing worse you can do on a board full of horny white men than bring up feminism, the bane of their fucking existence.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Manseed

What did he say that is sexist?

It's just easier to say that, and pass off my opinions as "oh he doesn't like her because she's a chick." BS. Nothing is sexier or more demanding of respect than a women in power that tore shit up to get there. My respect is based on what people did to earn it, period.

The moment I realized I really couldn't stand her was actually pretty specific. Saw and picked up my buddies' kids sisters, 16 years old, report card. Damn thing had like happy face stickers, "good job" written on it, etc. I remember ours looking like census reports. But apparently it's standard now that making kids feel good inside is more important that teaching them some shit, or better yet, showing them what can happen when they don't make an effort. All the good feeling in the world won't help when you're getting evicted for no job.

Later that night, I watched one of her debates/chats, whatever, and I see her doing the same shit. She's totally putting on the "I'm an approachable everybody just like you" and her crowd is just eating it up. I mean isn't the point of this to get someone in there that knows some shit? If my peers are qualified to do it, fuck it, I'll just do it, I was trying to find someone better than me and my friends. This job requires a passionate, dedicated leader with bold ideas and the brass to make them happen. I don't a new buddy.

Then like a week later, Joh Stewart did that bit that just nailed it, about how people were calling Obama an elitists and shit like it was bad. If you lead the free world, you can think yourself the shit, I wont mind. I'll be perfectly fine with you giving White House aids swirleys and trash canning them at lunch. I want to elect someone that I'm confident is completely ready and able to lead this country, not give fucking warm fuzzy's to its citizens. From the start, Obama has never talked down or dumbed a thing down to make someone understand something. Based on where he's standing, I say he probably knows about a lot of shit I don't. And that's what a leader is supposed to be.

So, Clinton failed, and rightly so, because in the end I think her target audience was more into things that made them like her as a person than as a leader. I'd rather, in 4 or 8 years, say "Man, Obama tore shit up, Those economy, food, war, and education problems got handled" than go around telling everyone how cool I felt when Clinton wanted to hold my baby.

So, there's my reasoning. I want a 20 foot tall Bill (or Jennifer) Bradsky motherfucker leading my country, not someone so worried about being liked. I want to grab Obama's memoirs one day and go "man this is a total The Prince rip off!"

So write me off as sexists, it beats thinking or debating about shit. If it had been Obama and another guy that acted the way she did, my opinion would have been exactly the same.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by earthfell

What a stupid thing to say.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. I knew as soon as I said it everyone would jump on me like a pack of rabid dogs. There's nothing worse you can do on a board full of horny white men than bring up feminism, the bane of their fucking existence.

Has that thoughtless, lame attempt to bypass thinking and go straight to the easy, scape goat write off ever actually worked? I honestly want to know.

Next time you decide to up and support a cause, after only a minimal amount of thinking and effort, it might help to actually be able to spot said infractions to your cause, quit using blanket tactics to explain things that bother you, and above all else, using a quick cop out term like "a board full of horny white men" is a lame defense, and like all attempts to use guilt to sway opinion, it's effect is nil on those that aren't offenders to you and your cause. Why is it that no powerful woman I've ever met EVER bitched about equal rights? Oh, that's because they decided action beat bitching, took their power, and now wield it. Do you think for a second that going around whining about how wronged you are helps your issue? Because we see all around us, every day, all types of people that made it. That wield that power. So...makes you think the problems isn't the issue at all.

For the record, the only women that have ever appealed to me are the ones I had to battle wits with all day long and never get off my toes.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by earthfell

What a stupid thing to say.

No, it's not. If you'd stop feeling sorry for women and start treating them equally then we wouldn't have this problem. But instead, people like you have to make it your personal mission to make sure nobody brings up anything about that could be about gender. You treat women like a little fat kid who got beat up at school.

Here's me waiting for the response: "You're dumb."

[Nakilos]

Did anyone actually consider Hillary to be a woman? I have a feeling if she took off that pant suit she'd be swinging some pipe.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Nakilos

Did anyone actually consider Hillary to be a woman? I have a feeling if she took off that pant suit she'd be swinging some pipe.

Fuckin sexist.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by Salshun

It's just easier to say that, and pass off my opinions as "oh he doesn't like her because she's a chick." BS. Nothing is sexier or more demanding of respect than a women in power that tore shit up to get there. My respect is based on what people did to earn it, period.

The moment I realized I really couldn't stand her was actually pretty specific. Saw and picked up my buddies' kids sisters, 16 years old, report card. Damn thing had like happy face stickers, "good job" written on it, etc. I remember ours looking like census reports. But apparently it's standard now that making kids feel good inside is more important that teaching them some shit, or better yet, showing them what can happen when they don't make an effort. All the good feeling in the world won't help when you're getting evicted for no job.

Later that night, I watched one of her debates/chats, whatever, and I see her doing the same shit. She's totally putting on the "I'm an approachable everybody just like you" and her crowd is just eating it up. I mean isn't the point of this to get someone in there that knows some shit? If my peers are qualified to do it, fuck it, I'll just do it, I was trying to find someone better than me and my friends. This job requires a passionate, dedicated leader with bold ideas and the brass to make them happen. I don't a new buddy.

Then like a week later, Joh Stewart did that bit that just nailed it, about how people were calling Obama an elitists and shit like it was bad. If you lead the free world, you can think yourself the shit, I wont mind. I'll be perfectly fine with you giving White House aids swirleys and trash canning them at lunch. I want to elect someone that I'm confident is completely ready and able to lead this country, not give fucking warm fuzzy's to its citizens. From the start, Obama has never talked down or dumbed a thing down to make someone understand something. Based on where he's standing, I say he probably knows about a lot of shit I don't. And that's what a leader is supposed to be.

So, Clinton failed, and rightly so, because in the end I think her target audience was more into things that made them like her as a person than as a leader. I'd rather, in 4 or 8 years, say "Man, Obama tore shit up, Those economy, food, war, and education problems got handled" than go around telling everyone how cool I felt when Clinton wanted to hold my baby.

So, there's my reasoning. I want a 20 foot tall Bill (or Jennifer) Bradsky motherfucker leading my country, not someone so worried about being liked. I want to grab Obama's memoirs one day and go "man this is a total The Prince rip off!"

So write me off as sexists, it beats thinking or debating about shit. If it had been Obama and another guy that acted the way she did, my opinion would have been exactly the same.

Well, I disliked clinton for similar reasons... i think it was the "people of penn. are deeply offended and deeply hurt by blah blah" comments that did it for me. Im sure i couldnt deeply care less. Not that a blame her, its not her fault she had to try and appear more warm.

I think she lost because she was female. I am DEEPLY considering writing my thesis on it, but that's two years away... I think she was in a trap mccain nor obama have to deal with... proving she is tough and capable yet trying to appeal to our cultures ideal of nurturing woman.

[Nakilos]

She lost for 3 big reasons.

1) Poor campaign management
2) Didn't come off as genuine, she literally took pandering to an art form
3) Bill Clinton became a political detriment when going into it he was probably the most popular Democrat available to be in anyones' corner.

I don't believe the public at large wanted her to come off as nurturing while being assertive and a hardass, they wanted to show there was a genuine person in there. Someone who actually cared about things. Every time she talked about things she "cared" about, it sounded painfully rehearsed and difficult to take seriously based on how she said it. This is an intangible quality, but breaking down her failure as a candidate would be about as shameless if Obama lost in November and people started claiming it was because he was black.

[Adam12]

No, I think she lost because she ran into the fucking Obama train. Don't forget that she still just about won. If any Dem had a chance of beating Barrack this year, it was her, so don't give me this shit please.

[CyrusReij]

Originally Posted by Salshun

Has that thoughtless, lame attempt to bypass thinking and go straight to the easy, scape goat write off ever actually worked? I honestly want to know.

Next time you decide to up and support a cause, after only a minimal amount of thinking and effort, it might help to actually be able to spot said infractions to your cause, quit using blanket tactics to explain things that bother you, and above all else, using a quick cop out term like "a board full of horny white men" is a lame defense, and like all attempts to use guilt to sway opinion, it's effect is nil on those that aren't offenders to you and your cause. Why is it that no powerful woman I've ever met EVER bitched about equal rights? Oh, that's because they decided action beat bitching, took their power, and now wield it. Do you think for a second that going around whining about how wronged you are helps your issue? Because we see all around us, every day, all types of people that made it. That wield that power. So...makes you think the problems isn't the issue at all.

For the record, the only women that have ever appealed to me are the ones I had to battle wits with all day long and never get off my toes.

Coming from someone who absolutely loves dominant women, this man speaks the truth and shit yo.