Clinton Quits Race

[Soriak]

You guys realize that, at least in the polls, Obama leads McCain? "He's black, he doesn't have a shot" stopped being reasonable when he started breaking fundraising records. Never mind winning the primary, beating plenty of other white guys. He gets what, 3x as much as McCain? That was in the primary. All those donors who capped their donations for Clinton can now throw more money at Obama.

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by Soriak

You guys realize that, at least in the polls, Obama leads McCain? "He's black, he doesn't have a shot" stopped being reasonable when he started breaking fundraising records. Never mind winning the primary, beating plenty of other white guys. He gets what, 3x as much as McCain? That was in the primary. All those donors who capped their donations for Clinton can now throw more money at Obama.

You know how much polls mean right now? Aparantly not. Huge margins have been erased and small margins turned into easy wins.


Obama and Clinton have had what? 2 months of non stop media coverage. McCain hasn't even barely been mentioned in that time what exactly do you expect?

I expect Obama will lose some of his appeal in the general election for obvious reasons. I don't think the US will elect anyone as liberal as him and McCain is fairly middle of the road in comparision and pretty well respected by both sides. I can't remember the last time middle of the road democrats / Independents said "You know really isn't that bad".

I don't see Obama being able to win, especially if McCain grabs a running mate from one of the key swing states (Ohio / Florida). Lets face it whoever wins those states will win the election.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Soriak

You guys realize that, at least in the polls, Obama leads McCain? "He's black, he doesn't have a shot" stopped being reasonable when he started breaking fundraising records. Never mind winning the primary, beating plenty of other white guys. He gets what, 3x as much as McCain? That was in the primary. All those donors who capped their donations for Clinton can now throw more money at Obama.

Dude, you're nuts, but you're a dreamer and that's cool.

I'll modify a line from that "American President" movie a bit here.

"Everyone cares about civil rights, and equality during phone surveys and polls conducted on card tables that accept campaign donations at shopping malls, but come election day, trust me, they don't give a shit."

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

I don't think the US will elect anyone as liberal as him

This is something he'll have to work on clearing up... he's certainly not far to the left. Unless, of course, you think the US will never elect another Democrat again

[Senen]

Originally Posted by Salshun

When I was 8 years old playing t-ball and we lost, I shook the hand of every player on the other team, told them "good game" and meant it. Even at that age I understood if they won, they practiced harder, wanted it more, or we were not just playing A game.

Never understood why that was so difficult for some people.

Except Obama's campaign manipulated flaws and loopholes in the system to gain ground when in reality he has less popular votes. The wrong person got ahead in a flawed system by having a campaign manager who analyzed this and used it to win. Luckily McCain is the only one I thought worth voteing for just shows how screwed up politics are.

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Senen

Except Obama's campaign manipulated flaws and loopholes in the system to gain ground when in reality he has less popular votes. The wrong person got ahead in a flawed system by having a campaign manager who analyzed this and used it to win. Luckily McCain is the only one I thought worth voteing for just shows how screwed up politics are.

I dunno, for some reason that doesn't bother me. He out thought and out maneuvered the system in his desire to win. I'd rather have a leader a little "less than an angel" that could think on his feet that some nun sitting in the back missing everything and never thinking outside the rulebook. It's not a job that you can be good at and not be dynamic. So you have Hillary, who wanted real bad to win, and Obama..who made it happen.

That's leadership.

[Simas]

Originally Posted by Senen

Except Obama's campaign manipulated flaws and loopholes in the system to gain ground when in reality he has less popular votes.

Michigan wants to have a word with you.

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Senen

Except Obama's campaign manipulated flaws and loopholes in the system to gain ground when in reality he has less popular votes.

Are those the new talking points? Seriously?

RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count

Obama actually got 42,000 votes more than Clinton. Some states (caucuses) have not released the popular vote. Estimating those, Obama would be leading with 152,000 votes.

[kegkilla]

looks like its back to the unemployment line for hillary's rent-a-negro

[Szlia]

Does that mean no possible Drama during the convention or can, say, Al Gore jump out of a hat and get nominated?

[Araxen]

lol now Obama "manipulated flaws and loopholes in the system" when all he did is play by the rules. Heaven forbid somebody does that and it works. /gasp

Dean already laid out the 50 state strategy in a previous election and Obama used it. There was no gaming of the system of manipulating flaws involved. If this is all the right has to try and convince themselves McCain has a chance in November I hope you guys keep drinking that Kool-Aid because you're in for a rude awakening come the morning of November 5th.

[Tea on tuesday]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

I don't see Obama being able to win, especially if McCain grabs a running mate from one of the key swing states (Ohio / Florida). Lets face it whoever wins those states will win the election.

I'm not sure on that, Obama definitely has a path towards election without winning Ohio and Florida. CO, NM, and VA are all in play and I think you could make a case that at least one of those, VA, is likely to go democratic. Obama would only need to win VA and one of the other states to ensure enough electoral wins without Ohio and Florida should the rest of states fall along 2004 lines.

The underlying point being that traditional battleground states, while still important, may not play nearly as prominent a role as they have in recent elections.

This goes doubly true for Virginia should Obama pick up Webb as VP, which I'm all for. I fucking love Jim Webb.

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Szlia

Does that mean no possible Drama during the convention or can, say, Al Gore jump out of a hat and get nominated?

No drama, the convention can be the free advertising days they're supposed to be

I just watched parts of McCain's last speech again... I wonder if his supporters watch it, too?

[Salshun]

Originally Posted by Araxen

lol now Obama "manipulated flaws and loopholes in the system" when all he did is play by the rules. Heaven forbid somebody does that and it works. /gasp

QF truthiness.

I'm not about to vote for someone that isn't willing to do what it takes to win. Working to be the "leader of the free world" isn't some shit you take lightly. Obama isn't even in the wrong, he's merely the standard to which she failed to compare and an example of how to win. Clinton is an example on how to give it your best 97% every time.

[earthfell]

Originally Posted by Salshun

Man I'm in a good mood now.

A good response to said letter would be "Your path now involves the domestic, homebody life, with your man. You know, that cheating, pot-smoking draft dodger. You remember, he got to be president? And word of advice, my grandma tells me if you get 3 of the big Sunday papers, you can keep yourself busy clipping coupons long until noon rolls around, when you can begin getting sauced and feel a little better about it. On certain Sundays, when you have to appear at like Sizzler opening's and shit, you might to chill on that, though."

Love,

-America

P.S. From this point on, we don't want to see you run or nominate for ANYTHING. We better not even catch you next to the emergency exit on airplanes. No neighborhood watch, flood leader, PTA member, anything. At no point, from now on, do we ever want to see you in a position where your permission or consent is required for something. Someone asking to pee at your house is auto-fail.

sexist much?