McCain vs. Obama

[Zora]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

To be honest, Romney wouldn't have been a stronger candidate. And given how weak McCain is, that's a testament to just how fucked the GOP is this election cycle. Conservative voter turnout will be somewhat depressed due to a lack of enthusiasm with McCain, but he will pick up independents that Romney would have had no chance at. McCain at least has some chance at preventing a total rout if he can somehow figure out how to get conservatives enthused about him (rather than just fearful of Obama). At the end of the day, this election is either going to be an Obama massacre or an Obama victory -- I really cannot see any realistic eventuality in which McCain wins the presidency.

Agreed. And well said.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

To be honest, Romney wouldn't have been a stronger candidate. And given how weak McCain is, that's a testament to just how fucked the GOP is this election cycle. Conservative voter turnout will be somewhat depressed due to a lack of enthusiasm with McCain, but he will pick up independents that Romney would have had no chance at. McCain at least has some chance at preventing a total rout if he can somehow figure out how to get conservatives enthused about him (rather than just fearful of Obama). At the end of the day, this election is either going to be an Obama massacre or an Obama victory -- I really cannot see any realistic eventuality in which McCain wins the presidency.

meh i disagree. romney would at least be able to speak intelligently to a lot of things that mccain is out to lunch on like the economy.....and being that hes from the state that implemented plans very similar to what the dems are proposing for healthcare he'd be viewed as more of an expert on that platform than john mccain.

romney is a republican govenor of massachussetts - also a bragging point with independents. no age issues, and like you stated romney would be far more likely to get some energy going for him - the pro romney vote instead of anti obama.

we'll have to agree to disagree i guess.

[Sinter1]

Ron Paul for President!!!!!!!!!!

In all seriousness it didn't matter who the GOP chose, if the democrats fail to win this election it could lead to in fighting and the downfall of the party. Will McCain win? I highly doubt it, but seeing him secure the nominee over backwards religious zealots like Huckabee and Thompson gives me some hope for the republican party. However, the fact that McCain is a war monger and his potential to fall in line with the neocon objective has me worried if he did pull off the upset. Not to mention he has no clue when it comes to the economy which desperately needs help.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Etoille

meh i disagree. romney would at least be able to speak intelligently to a lot of things that mccain is out to lunch on like the economy.....and being that hes from the state that implemented plans very similar to what the dems are proposing for healthcare he'd be viewed as more of an expert on that platform than john mccain.

romney is a republican govenor of massachussetts - also a bragging point with independents. no age issues, and like you stated romney would be far more likely to get some energy going for him - the pro romney vote instead of anti obama.

we'll have to agree to disagree i guess.

Being a Mormon is almost as bad as being Black. The Republican base will not vote for a Mormon. Not only that but Romney is an asshole. He talks fast and crude. He would have no chance. In addition, he is a past record of Liberalism. That is not a good thing to have as a Republican.

Being Black, Jewish, Mormon, Hispanic, Asian, extremely old, extremely young, Muslim, short in height, bald or female are characteristics that will not work to your advantage in running for President. If you are not a White, Protestant Man at least 6' tall with a full head of hair, you have to be exceptionally good to make up for the inherit negatives. That is why you have to give credit to McCain, Hillary and Obama for what they accomplished.

[Ancalagon]

Originally Posted by Etoille

meh i disagree. romney would at least be able to speak intelligently to a lot of things that mccain is out to lunch on like the economy.....and being that hes from the state that implemented plans very similar to what the dems are proposing for healthcare he'd be viewed as more of an expert on that platform than john mccain.

Sure, he probably CAN speak intelligently on economic matters. But would he have? Remember Michigan: John McCain, whatever else can be said against him, had the balls to tell people that those old manufacturing jobs were not coming back; Mitt Romney, who would end up winning the state, made a fool of himself in proclaiming that his presidency would usher in a new era of prosperity for, and the return of auto-jobs to, Detroit.

romney is a republican govenor of massachussetts - also a bragging point with independents. no age issues, and like you stated romney would be far more likely to get some energy going for him - the pro romney vote instead of anti obama.

Those arguments might have held some sway if it had ended up being Romney versus Clinton. But I would wager that in a Romney versus Obama race, Obama would pull probably 70-80% of self-declared independents. If McCain is being painted as Bush 2.0, how much easier would it have been to stick that on Romney? Moreover, one need only go back and check the results of the pre-Super Tuesday Republican primaries: It was because of independents (among other things) that McCain was able to overcome his inherent flaws and capture the GOP nomination. To think that anything but a small portion of conservative-leaning independents would have gone with Romney over Obama is silly.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

Moreover, one need only go back and check the results of the pre-Super Tuesday Republican primaries: It was because of independents (among other things) that McCain was able to overcome his inherent flaws and capture the GOP nomination. To think that anything but a small portion of conservative-leaning independents would have gone with Romney over Obama is silly.

disagree completely. the reason his numbers with independents were so high back then before super tuesday was because he could still pull off the 'maverick from 2000' thing. he cant do that anymore and now romney is revealed as the stronger candidate.

more and more independents are realizing that the mccain from 2000 is long gone. and the independents will go to obama for that reason. romney, with his experience and reputation on the economy would have gone a LOT farther to grabbing independents concerned about the economy than this 2008 version of mccain.

youre arguing mccain of 2000. not mccain of 2008. otherwise id agree with you. hell new hampshire has already ended its love affair with mccain because they realized that theyd been duped.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

But I would wager that in a Romney versus Obama race, Obama would pull probably 70-80% of self-declared independents. If McCain is being painted as Bush 2.0, how much easier would it have been to stick that on Romney?

Correct. John McCain is not who the Democrats wanted to run against. He is the best hope for a Republican to win. I am not saying he is the best Republican, but he is the best Republican at this point in time given the political climate as Obama is the best Democrat at this point in time. I would have liked Jim Webb instead. I would have liked another Republican who was easy to beat like Romney. Now I just hope McCain does not put a woman on the ticket as that will cause us more trouble since he will get even more Hillary voters.

If Romney were there instead of McCain, Obama would have a major lead in the polls. As it stands we are in a statistical tie with the exception of the bias Democrat polls from Newsweek and the LA Times. I don't trust those polls as I don't trust the Republican FOX News or Rasmussen Polls.

Although McCain has flip flopped into a mini-Bush, people still remember John McCain of 2000.

[Etoille]

IRB supports your theory. doesnt that by default make you crazy ancalagon?

[Ancalagon]

Originally Posted by Etoille

IRB supports your theory. doesnt that by default make you crazy ancalagon?

Yes. I concede.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

Yes. I concede.

./comfort & console

[Ancalagon]

Originally Posted by Etoille

./comfort & console

Negative internets for 'agreeing with Etoille against IRB'. Who'd have thought?

[Etoille]

damn you chaos!

im sorry im not a great political ally on these boards it seems - it looks like someone repped you right back tho ancalagon.

[Zerai]

I got called a republican faggot for calling out IRB as a troll. Wonder who did that?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Zerai

I got called a republican faggot for calling out IRB as a troll. Wonder who did that?

Don't fuck with the IRB Coalition. This is our thread. You can have it back on November 5, 2008 Dittohead.

[Eomer]

lol, I wasn't aware there was a Republican Party of Canada.