McCain vs. Obama

[Zora]

Originally Posted by UnchainedAcolyte

What frightens me is how whacked out some fundamentalist Christians are over the Obama thing.

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Maybe it's not all doom and gloom when it comes to fundamentalist Christians and Obama. Again, it may be more an age thing...

Politics | Young, evangelical ... for Obama? | Seattle Times Newspaper

P.S. I also read that Clinton's campaign was behind a lot of these negative Obama e-mails pushing the Muslim angle and they've been doing it for months. No doubt the Republicans will pick up on it if they haven't already.

[Requiem]

About that crazy baptist chain letter - Aren't those whackos utterly obsessed with the rapture? I thought that they were all rabid to make it happen and waking up every day disappointed that the world hasn't ended yet?

Why would Obama being the anti-christ be a bad thing to them? I'd think that they would be sitting around with party hats, confetti and Obama for President signs if they actually thought that the anti-christ was coming to get them all whisked away to heaven.

[Kolle]

true christians orgasm at the mention of rapture

there's bound to be racist and ignorant dumbasses in the voting booth. you can't tell them obama isn't muslim or that he's only half black.

[spronk]

One thing I dont get about the rapturites - if Obama is indeed the Anti-Christ, wouldn't you WANT him voted into the presidency? After all, the Anti-Christ can't really do much "damage" as a senator or presidential-candidate-loser (see Al Gore).

I mean, you won't get the Anti-Christ fucking up the earth, and then Jesus coming back to kick his ass. You NEED the Anti-Christ to take power, fool everyone else (but you and your fellow true believers!), and basically fuck up a lot of shit. Blowing up Israel (sorry Jewbuddies, its your time) and all that other rapture kinda stuff. You can't get to end-of-days kind of stuff until the Rapture happens, right? Electing McCain would just delay that.

Alternatively, wouldn't keeping George Bush in power another 4 or 8 years basically fulfill much of the Anti-Christ prophecies? I'm pretty sure he can easily start another 2-3 wars there and set off a few nukes.

[Tolanin]

Originally Posted by spronk

One thing I dont get about the rapturites - if Obama is indeed the Anti-Christ, wouldn't you WANT him voted into the presidency? After all, the Anti-Christ can't really do much "damage" as a senator or presidential-candidate-loser (see Al Gore).

I mean, you won't get the Anti-Christ fucking up the earth, and then Jesus coming back to kick his ass. You NEED the Anti-Christ to take power, fool everyone else (but you and your fellow true believers!), and basically fuck up a lot of shit. Blowing up Israel (sorry Jewbuddies, its your time) and all that other rapture kinda stuff. You can't get to end-of-days kind of stuff until the Rapture happens, right? Electing McCain would just delay that.

Alternatively, wouldn't keeping George Bush in power another 4 or 8 years basically fulfill much of the Anti-Christ prophecies? I'm pretty sure he can easily start another 2-3 wars there and set off a few nukes.

im pretty sure knowingly supporting the anti-christ would kinda fuck you over in terms of getting into heaven.

[Arbitrary]

BETTER TO REIGN IN HELL THAN SERVE IN HEAVEN

[Kolle]

but if he was really the anti-christ it wouldn't matter if they supported him or not. he'll take power and do what the bible predicted him to do. but the bible isn't always correct anyways.

these kind of people don't understand that to begin with, much less how their fragile minds are warped by right wing propaganda. goes for democrats too, judging by the quotes coming out of west virginia.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

More justification from taking the vote away from the Fly Overs:

Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

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Democratic country keeps its distance from Obama

By Andrew Ward

Published: May 11 2008 20:13 | Last updated: May 11 2008 20:13

Like most people in Mingo County, West Virginia, Leonard Simpson is a lifelong Democrat. But given a choice between Barack Obama and John McCain in November, the 67-year-old retired coalminer would vote Republican.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

Mr Simpson’s remarks help explain why Mr Obama is trailing Hillary Clinton, his Democratic rival, by 40 percentage points ahead of Tuesday’s primary election in the heavily white and rural state, according to recent opinion polls.

A landslide victory for Mrs Clinton in West Virginia will do little to improve her fading hopes of winning the Democratic nomination, because Mr Obama has an almost insurmountable lead in the overall race. But Tuesday’s contest is likely to reinforce Mrs Clinton’s argument that she would be the stronger opponent for Mr McCain in November, and raise fresh doubts about whether the US is ready to elect its first black president.

Occupying a swathe of the Appalachian Mountains on the threshold between the Bible Belt and the Rust Belt, West Virginia is a swing state that voted twice for George W. Bush but backed Democrats in six of the eight prior presidential elections.

No Democrat has been elected to the White House without carrying West Virginia since 1916, yet Mr Obama appears to have little chance of winning there in November. Recent opinion polls indicate that Mrs Clinton would narrowly beat Mr McCain in the state but Mr Obama would lose by nearly 20 percentage points.

West Virginia is hostile territory for Mr Obama because it has few of the African-Americans and affluent, college-educated whites who provide his strongest support. The state has the lowest college graduation rate in the US, the second lowest median household income, and one of the highest proportions of white residents, at 96 per cent.

A visit to Mingo County, a Democratic stronghold in the heart of the Appalachian coalfields, reveals the scale of Mr Obama’s challenge – not only in West Virginia but in white, working-class communities across the US. With a gun shop on its main street and churches dotted throughout the town, Williamson is the kind of community evoked by Mr Obama’s controversial comments last month about “bitter” small-town voters who “cling to guns or religion”.

“If he is the nominee, the Democrats have no chance of winning West Virginia,” said Missy Endicott, a 40- year-old school administrator. “He doesn’t understand ordinary Americans.”

Ms Endicott was among roughly 500 people who crammed into the Williamson Fire Department building on Friday to attend a rally by Bill Clinton, the former president. He told them his wife represented “people like you, in places like this”, and urged voters to turn out in record numbers on Tuesday to send a message to the “higher-type people” who were trying to force her out of the race.

Local leaders said Mr Clinton was the most important visitor to Williamson since John F. Kennedy passed through during the 1960 election campaign. Mr Kennedy’s victory in the West Virginia primary that year was a crucial step towards proving his electability as the first Catholic president. Nearly five decades later, the state appears less willing to help Mr Obama break down barriers to the White House.

None of the 22 Democrats interviewed by the Financial Times at the Clinton rally would commit themselves to voting for Mr Obama if he became the nominee, and half said they definitely would not. The depth of opposition is particularly striking considering that Mingo County is one of the most Democratic places in West Virginia, having cast about 85 per cent of its votes for the party in the 2006 midterm elections. If Mr Obama cannot win there in November, he has little chance of carrying the state.

Most people questioned said they mistrusted Mr Obama because of doubts about his patriotism and “values”, stemming from his cosmopolitan background, his exotic name and the controversy surrounding “anti-American” sermons by Jeremiah Wright, his former pastor. Several people said they believed he was a Muslim – an unfounded rumour that has circulated on the internet for months – despite the contradiction with his 20-year membership of Mr Wright’s church in Chicago. Others mentioned his refusal to wear a Stars and Stripes badge and controversial remarks by his wife, Mich¿elle, who des¿cribed America as “mean” and implied that she had never been proud of the US until her husband ran for president.

Conservative commentators have questioned Mr Obama’s patriotism for months and the issue is expected to be one of the Republicans’ main lines of attack if he wins the nomination. “The American people want a president who loves their country as much as they do,” said Whit Ayres, a Rep¿ub¿lican strategist. Obama supporters believe patriotism is being used as code to harness racist sentiment.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2008

West Virginia has the lowest college graduation rate in the US and the second lowest median household income. Rot in your coal mines nitwits. These are the types of people the Republicans play too and deserve to be full-blooded Republicans.

This is truly a contest between idiots and intelligent people. It remains to be seen if this country is as intelligent as I think it is.

[Gecko]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

I never said that. I am saying that he is a very strong politician. McCain and Hillary are not and have to resort to gutter politics to win. The very notion that McCain can win on policy is just so fucking stupid.

Instead of campaigning, McCain should just buy a TV station and run endless clips of Rev. Wright and ads of him saying "I am White. Obama is Black. I am White. Obama is Black.". He might win with that strategy. Policy my ass.

Your age is showing in this thread.

Obama is an eloquent man with many positive traits. One would argue a strong politician is someone who can work across party lines and get things accomplished. Mccain has a long history of this. Obama has no history of working across party lines and has voted pretty much straight DNC throughout his very brief career in the Senate.

Also, stop with the racist hogwash. The GOP is the party of Lincoln and Civil Rights. Your points seem vapid and hurts what you are trying to project.

The election will come down to where the economy is in October. It's as simple as that.

[Jabberwhacky]

You say IRB is looking old and then you cite fucking Abraham Lincoln as a Republican?

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Gecko

The GOP is the party of Lincoln and Civil Rights. Your points seem vapid and hurts what you are trying to project.

In early 1960's the Republican party made an determined effort to use race to polarize the electorate to gain power. This effort in part was lead by George H. Bush on the coattails of Barry Goldwater. He later regretted his decision to do so and almost got thrown out of the Republican party as a result.

JFK and Lyndon Johnson fought this effort and is the key reason blacks in America are now Democrat. Therefore, the party of Lincoln changed dramatically in the early 1960's lead by Goldwater and Bush. Goldwater lost in a landslide to Johnson but built a Southern coalition which lead to the "Southern Strategy".

Learn your history before you respond to me.

[Hardcore Cracka]

All the Democrats have to argue is that McCain is Bush 2.0 and it's a done deal.

[Soriak]

Some of the wealthy need to reconsider why they're favoring Republicans. Even if you have slightly lower taxes, the economy grows more under a Democratic president and raising taxes to eliminate the deficit will lead to lower inflation. Low inflation and more gains in the stock market should be appealing enough to accept a little higher taxes.

How much would income taxes have to go up anyway, by 10%? So someone currently paying 20% would end up with maybe 22%? (less, I suppose, because of tax brackets)

Let's not forget that lower inflation would make the country more attractive for foreign investors and might hold off the pricing of oil in Euros. Long-term, this should be a no-brainer... and if you have a significant net worth, why would you care about tiny short-term gains?

[Drave]

Originally Posted by Hardcore Cracka

All the Democrats have to argue is that McCain is Bush 2.0 and it's a done deal.

If Bush magically transformed into a zombie, he would become McCain.

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[Zora]

Originally Posted by Gecko

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Also, stop with the racist hogwash. The GOP is the party of Lincoln and Civil Rights. Your points seem vapid and hurts what you are trying to project.

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Surely, you jest. The Republicans did everything they could to stop the Civil Rights Act, along with school integration, voting rights for minorities, etc. George Wallace, a leading Republican at the time, declared "segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever" as he stood in a school house door. That era is a big part of the reason that 90% of blacks deserted the party of Lincoln and are Democrats today.