McCain vs. Obama

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

McCain ASKED both the Tennessee and N.C Republicans to stop their attack ads and they refused you degenerate. It wasn't that he "does not" it's that he COULD NOT. So I ask again, why does McCain try to control his own party and fail?

Are you trying to agree with me? I don't get it. Obviously he could not. Because it's a free country you stupid fuck.

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

My point about the Clintons is completely valid.

No, it's completely stupid. You're making your point off of Obama getting an endorsement from Clinton when McCain has already gotten the endorsement from the other Republican candidates long ago.

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

There is not a republican parallel from this election cycle that even comes close.

But,

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

Which begs the question: Why can't McCain control his own party?

Hell Obama became nominee and 2 days later he had Hillary Clinton seemingly under control (remains to be seen if it stays that way)

You drew that parallel, not me. Scroll up and read the retarded shit that you posted 15 minutes ago before posting more drivel that contradicts it.

[brekk]

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

My point about the Clintons is completely valid. On Tuesday Hillary gave a speech in which she threatened to use her 18 million votes as leverage to get whatever she wanted. 2 days later Obama had his endorsement (scheduled endorsement at least) and promises from the Clinton camp that they would not try to strong arm the VP slot. You can't compare the political selfishness of the clintons to anyone from the republican field. and for Obama to have coralled them is an impressive showing of leadership.

Umm Hilary is still an elected Democratic Senator in New York. Unless she's planning a very early retirement from politics pulling some shit to force herself into the VP slot would be political suicide.

[namon]

Personally for me, this is a problem I have. The only credible sources to you guys are anything that is "liberal." You completely discredit Fox et al, but yet you take anything CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS for gospel, when they have been busted multiple times for hiding and distorting facts and telling flat out lies. I mean... the whole Forged papers that Dan Rather ran with? I mean ya it got him fired but only becuse they were caught red handed and what the hell else were they gonna do to save any shred of credibility. CNN sat for years on reports of Sadam Hussein's practices, and I ask why? I mean it should have been something that was reported on. Whether or not it was a reason to invade and remove him is a whole other debate, but damn they didn't even think we should have had it in the first place. Just two weeks ago when the whole "appeasment" controversy heated up, NBC aired an interview with Bush. Now I'm sorry, I'm not expecting you to agree with him, but I heard the full version of it, and the final "cut" that made the news and it was clearly edited to really make it sound like he was attacking the left.

I also hear about constant railing on how the conservatives have propoganda all over the place. Ummmm, watch ANY movie, watch any major tv show, or any music outlet, or better yet step into any revered hall of learning and all you get is constant constant propoganda generated from the left. I mean hell, I was watching a damn cartoon the other day and it was about an evil corporation that moved into town and it poluted a city park into oblivion. Most movies I see paint "progressives" as heroes while most "conservative" people are either complete dumbasses, or evil tyrants. We have teachers, and the books they teach out of basically chant from the mantras of liberalism. This whole "green" movement is a crock of shit. Hell to the point that a game called the "greenhouse caculator" is not satisified unless you basically share a one room flat with 45 other people, walk every where you go and wave your fist at every airplane that flies over. It is just as out of control on the other side as well. But I guess that stuff is ok, because that is how smart people should live.

It's fine that people have opinions that differ from mine, and probably thank God that they do. But hell, let's be honest with ourselves and not be so indignant that someone has an agenda and does anything to prove it, because BOTH sides do it.

And Khorum has every right to say how he feels, but I can speak for myself. Barrack being a muslim, christian, scientologist, or hell even a mormon doesn't bother me. It's the shit he votes for and the leanings he has. That's the reason why I don't want to vote for him. But hell, the Republicans aren't better at all. That's a whole other discussion, but ya I'm really stuck this year and I don't like it.

[whatsamattau]

He's the leader of his party. Why is he so terrible at leading it? It's a simple fucking question.

OH! Because it's a free country! I get it now. He's a terrible leader because 'this is a free country.' Well played sir, I concede the point. /boggle

No, it's completely stupid. You're making your point off of Obama getting an endorsement from Clinton when McCain has already gotten the endorsement from the other Republican candidates long ago.

If you're not going to read the argument then I can't help you. It is a free country after all! You're free to spew your ignorant dribble all you want. But McCain hasn't had to calm the flayling political machine of what was once the most powerful political family in the nation, though his dealings with the tennessee GOP show that he would surely suck at it if he tried.

As Obama has succeeded in doing just that, it is living proof that he is able to control descenting factions in party. As McCain has proven, he can not.

You drew that parallel, not me.

Sigh, there were 2 different comparisons being drawn. One by me, one by you.

Mine: Obama can control his party. McCain can't.

Yours: McCain received endorsements. Obama received endorsements. Therefor, both are even!

The problem is that my comparison has been proven completely valid, and your comparison fails to acknowledge who the endorsers were and the circumstances surrounding their endorsements.

[Nakilos]

I wouldn't say people take absolutes as their only perspective. Personally I watch Fox News and read conservative blogs, because I actually am curious about their perspectives.

The problem is they are insanely predictable and doesn't make for anything really informative. The slant is always painfully obvious. I've watched it all, Bill O'Reilly, Hannity and Colmes, Hannity's America, with probably the least painful being Neil Cavuto's show (surprisingly, he is about as likable as paste). On the plus side, Fox News is infinitely more entertaining, they really aren't aiming for news as much as entertainment.

And there is this retarded hot blonde on there, I'm not sure what her name is. She is really pleasant to look at least. She's always on whenever I ride my exercise bike after work, and I can never remember anything she says, she is just really nice to look at.

Edit: Oh, want to see awkwardness play out late at night? Whenever that Red Eye is on, watch it for 10 minutes. Probably the only people I've seen who interact as awkwardly is the Fox and Friends people, except the people on Red Eye think they are funny.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

He's the leader of his party. Why is he so terrible at leading it? It's a simple fucking question.

OH! Because it's a free country! I get it now. He's a terrible leader because 'this is a free country.' Well played sir, I concede the point. /boggle



If you're not going to read the argument then I can't help you. It is a free country after all! You're free to spew your ignorant dribble all you want. But McCain hasn't had to calm the flayling political machine of what was once the most powerful political family in the nation, though his dealings with the tennessee GOP show that he would surely suck at it if he tried.

As Obama has succeeded in doing just that, it is living proof that he is able to control descenting factions in party. As McCain has proven, he can not.



Sigh, there were 2 different comparisons being drawn. One by me, one by you.

Mine: Obama can control his party. McCain can't.

Yours: McCain received endorsements. Obama received endorsements. Therefor, both are even!

The problem is that my comparison has been proven completely valid, and your comparison fails to acknowledge who the endorsers were and the circumstances surrounding their endorsements.

You fucking moron. You used the comparison. You said that McCain can't lead his party, then you gave an example of Obama leading his party. Which was him getting the endorsement from Hillary. It's your comparison, which you may now realize is fucking retarded. There aren't any lines to read between.

Here's some advice. This board is incredibly liberal. If you post your liberal 'take on things' and some fucking asswipe doesn't come by within 15 minutes to jerk you off about it, then you're fucking wrong. If Kaio or Kolle hasn't patted you on the back for stickin' it to those nasty conservatives then it's a good indicator that what you said was fucking stupid.

Even IRB gets a nod from these tools on a daily basis.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by namon

It's fine that people have opinions that differ from mine, and probably thank God that they do. But hell, let's be honest with ourselves and not be so indignant that someone has an agenda and does anything to prove it, because BOTH sides do it.

That's all well and good, but the topic of Obama being a Muslim is wrong no matter WHO reports it. If George Soros himself wrote "Obama is a Muslim" with his sperm all over Cindy Sheehans face on the middle of CNN primetime, it would still be a complete fabrication.

[whatsamattau]

Unless she's planning a very early retirement from politics pulling some shit to force herself into the VP slot would be political suicide.

She tried to do it on tuesday and wednesday and arguably earlier in the weekend. Listen to her speech from tuesday, especially the "my 18 million voters need to be respected" part. Note that on tuesday her campaign leaked the story that she would want to be Obama's VP. You can go back weeks and find Bill Clinton calling the joint ticket "unstoppable" and Howard Wolfson saying "Hillary has built a coalition democrats will need to carry in the fall." It was all code for "Our voters won't go to you unless she is on the ticket."

Now, the backlash from that behavior undoubtedly helped to put that shit to bed very fast. She probably realized that she was committing political suicide just like you say, but she was still in the process of committing it. You can't deny that Obama handled it masterfully.

[whatsamattau]

If Kaio or Kolle hasn't patted you on the back for stickin' it to those nasty conservatives then it's a good indicator that what you said was fucking stupid.

Right, because the minute one of these guys endorses a point of view, chumps like you don't dismiss it out of hand because the "crazy liberals" hopped on board.

You're so fucking predictable.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

Right, because the minute one of these guys endorses a point of view, chumps like you don't dismiss it out of hand because the "crazy liberals" hopped on board.

No, I'd still dismiss it because it makes no sense and you've contradicted yourself already. The discussion is over, there is no need for you to further embarrass yourself.

Originally Posted by whatsamattau

You're so fucking predictable.

If it's that predictable that someone will call you out for being a fucking moron when you voice your flawed opinion then you have some self assessment to do.

[Burf]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Don't they look good together? This is from last night at the kick-off to make Virginia blue. Webb's concealed-carry gun license should go a long way with the blue collars. With Webb on the ticket it could mean a Democrat would be President for 16 years.

Somebody 'shop some pit stains on Obama. That would be funny.

[mek]

Originally Posted by namon

Personally for me, this is a problem I have. The only credible sources to you guys are anything that is "liberal." You completely discredit Fox et al, but yet you take anything CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS for gospel, when they have been busted multiple times for hiding and distorting facts and telling flat out lies.

This is inane. Plenty of us "liberals" are happy to acknowledge that all of the above networks are propaganda machines. The whole American media is completely fucked.

[Kolle]

i've bashed those news networks plenty of times. i like some of the shows, but many of the pundits annoy the fuck outa me. it's obviously a given that FOX is a piece of shit. even if you're a republican I doubt your sanity if you believe FOX is fair and balanced. not only have i bashed tv liberals, but the ones on the radio as well.

i don't think liberal or conservative even applies in a lot of these cases. it's a situation where you have idiots spewing shit on a tv/radio show. this has helped news websites and bloggers gain tremendous popularity. i'm sure tv/radio will be around for awhile yet, but it's the past vs future.

[Soriak]

Someone needs to ask McCain these questions: Economists for Obama: Question for McCain: Effect of Taxes on Revenue

Ponnuru: If you could get the Democrats to agree, or at least to come to the table on entitlements or on tax simplification, are those circumstances under which you’d be willing to accept a tax increase?

Sen. McCain: No; no.

Ponnuru: No circumstances?

Sen. McCain: No. None. None. Tax cuts, starting with Kennedy, as we all know, increase revenues. So what’s the argument for increasing taxes? If you get the opposite effect out of tax cuts?

Question for McCain: "You have said multiple times that you share the belief of Arthur Laffer, one of your advisers, that tax cuts increase government revenue. Another one of your advisers says that you don't hold that view. So which is it? Do tax cuts increase revenue or not?"

Follow-up: [If he does believe tax cuts increase revenue] "As CBO Director, your adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin published a study that said that you're wrong. Only a miniscule number of economists agree with you. On what basis do you hold your view?"

Follow-up: [If he doesn't believe tax cuts increase revenue] "The Tax Policy Center calculates that your tax plan will lead to a shortfall and increase the national debt by %5.7 trillion, about $50,000 per household. Who will pay off that debt?"

What an idiot...

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by namon

Personally for me, this is a problem I have. The only credible sources to you guys are anything that is "liberal." You completely discredit Fox et al, but yet you take anything CNN, NBC, ABC, and CBS for gospel, when they have been busted multiple times for hiding and distorting facts and telling flat out lies. I mean... the whole Forged papers that Dan Rather ran with? I mean ya it got him fired but only becuse they were caught red handed and what the hell else were they gonna do to save any shred of credibility.

Bullshit. Outside of a few isolated incidents, ABC, NBC, and CBS are true news and unbiased. Especially in regards to FOX News which is a blatant Republican infomercial. MSNBC is a different type of network. It offers Democrat leaning political commentary. If you want to compare MSNBC to FOX News I will give you that. Keith Olbermann is there to combat the daily lies and distortions from Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity, however he is much better at it much more intelligent than the construction worker Sean Hannity. He has beat O'Reilly in the ratings war for the last two months by the way.

FOX News promotes blatant lies and distortions on a daily basis. The political pornography on FOX News makes it little more than a political cartoon channel. MSNBC and CNN offer true conservative Republicans on their network such as Pat Buchanan, Tucker Carlson, and Joe Scarborough. George Bush spokesman Tony Snow is preparing to join CNN. On the contrary, FOX News will offer so called Democrats who are really Republicans like Juan Williams. Juan Williams puts out more lies and distortions than Sean Hannity himself yet FOX News tries to promote him as a "Democrat". Juan Williams is just another Republican charlatan. They also offer the incompetent Alan Colmes who is little more than the equivalent of the Washington Generals to Sean Hannity's Harlem Globetrotters.

FOX News is not only the worse entity ever allowed to broadcast but the worst entity we have ever seen in the history of the world. It is detrimental to the US and the world community. The day FOX News stops broadcasting or drops in ratings will be a great day for the world. Hopefully their ratings will drop once their illegitimate President, George W. Bush, is ejected out of office and we can end our 8 year national nightmare in both the white house and on cable tv. What is very interesting about this election is that even FOX News has to hold it's nose in order to endorse and promote that old geezer John McCain. Rupert Murdock himself can not take enough smelling salts to pull the level for the old coot and has called Obama a "Rock Star". Of course, FOX News did not put that statement on their bastard network.