Bush - Most Unpopular President

[AladainAF]

Americans should be able to deal with terrorism without completely rolling over everything that makes America.. you know, America. We aren't the same country from 7 years ago, and all that took was one attack.

How has your life changed in the last 7 years after 9/11 in respects to everything being America now being gone?

[findar]

Originally Posted by Indiana

The only credible threat to the US is the US it self.

this.

i skipped most of this thread, but uh... has anyone even touched on the growth of information thats being piped into our lives every day? that definitely doesnt help approval ratings.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

How has your life changed in the last 7 years after 9/11 in respects to everything being America now being gone?

Have you tried to fly anywhere in the last 7 years? Mail a package to someone via U.S. Mail? Gov't wiretaping? A fucking war in Iraq that's still going on. Where the fuck have you been living?

[Kevincheese]

For those who don't travel... it really isn't much of an issue, yet.

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Kevincheese

For those who don't travel, use the phone, email, internet, or U.S. mail... it really isn't much of an issue, yet.

Fixed.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

This video sums up the Bush presidency:



On every issue where Bush was tested, he failed. His biggest blunder is Iraq. The only thing that can bring the Bush Presidency from the number one spot of epic Presidential failures will be if we somehow get the oil in Iraq. Otherwise, this Idiot is the worse President in our history. He is a creation of the conservative media including Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and FOX news. He should be in jail along with any media outlet that supported him.

The only good thing that could possibly be the result of his reign of idiocy would be that people start to realize that the President does not need to be someone you want to drink a beer with but someone who is smart.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Fury

Have you tried to fly anywhere in the last 7 years? Mail a package to someone via U.S. Mail? Gov't wiretaping? A fucking war in Iraq that's still going on. Where the fuck have you been living?

I fly to BWI (Baltimore) airport and taxi into DC every 2-3 months on business, I don't see what the problem is other than some added security. I have to take my shoes off. *Shrug*. I mail packages all the time, for birthdays, holidays, and business (including mailing packages to foreign countries, including China). I don't see what you're getting at here - its the same as its always been. I haven't been wire tapped as far as I know, then again wiretapping citizens is nothing new since 9/11 - its been around for years, and Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, and instead is a stupid diversion from Bush. One could argue that 9/11 was an excuse Bush used, but really, even if 9/11 didn't happen, Bush was going to invade Iraq reguardless.

Care to try again?

He should be in jail along with any media outlet that supported him.

Just when I thought IRB couldn't be any more ridiculous, he drops this bomb.

[Sunder]

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -
because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me.

Ode to AladainAF.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

One could argue that 9/11 was an excuse Bush used, but really, even if 9/11 didn't happen, Bush was going to invade Iraq reguardless.

True.

[column]

For the patriot act alone I hope he frys in hell.
I miss the Chappelle show.. That is one funny Nigger.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Sunder

Ode to AladainAF.

Well, since I was asking how 9/11 affected specifically him, and then was asked questions about specifically me, it only made sense to respond in that manner.

[Fury]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

I fly to BWI (Baltimore) airport and taxi into DC every 2-3 months on business, I don't see what the problem is other than some added security. I have to take my shoes off. *Shrug*. I mail packages all the time, for birthdays, holidays, and business (including mailing packages to foreign countries, including China). I don't see what you're getting at here - its the same as its always been. I haven't been wire tapped as far as I know, then again wiretapping citizens is nothing new since 9/11 - its been around for years, and Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, and instead is a stupid diversion from Bush. One could argue that 9/11 was an excuse Bush used, but really, even if 9/11 didn't happen, Bush was going to invade Iraq reguardless.

Care to try again?

You asked; "How has your life changed in the last 7 years after 9/11 in respects to everything being America now being gone?", and I gave you several examples that you choose to ignore.

Extra security at airports so tight that, until very recently, you couldn't even take water onto a plane. Not to mention "overzealous" security deciding random items can be used as weapons, including diamond studded earrings, to be confiscated. I'm sure they would have turned them in instead of pocketing them... I won't even get into the racial profiling or attractive women being strip searched. If all you've had to do was take off your shoes, you're very, very lucky.

You cannot drop of small packages at mailboxes. You have to go to the P.O.

You've been wiretaped. And you're right, you didn't know about it until last year when they got caught. Every American has, and the data base collecting is still going on.

Patriot Act. Gov't can come into your home, search it, take what they want, and not inform you. I'm pretty sure they don't even need a warrent for it now, if they say it falls under terroist threats. You can be detained indefinately without a lawyer, and without ever having charges brought on you.

Yeah. That bad.

[Jedah]

Originally Posted by SalaciousTunare

The lone exception? What about Reagan?

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

bigger, more active government

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[rangoth]

Originally Posted by Fury

You asked; "How has your life changed in the last 7 years after 9/11 in respects to everything being America now being gone?", and I gave you several examples that you choose to ignore.

Extra security at airports so tight that, until very recently, you couldn't even take water onto a plane. Not to mention "overzealous" security deciding random items can be used as weapons, including diamond studded earrings, to be confiscated. I'm sure they would have turned them in instead of pocketing them... I won't even get into the racial profiling or attractive women being strip searched. If all you've had to do was take off your shoes, you're very, very lucky.

You cannot drop of small packages at mailboxes. You have to go to the P.O.

You've been wiretaped. And you're right, you didn't know about it until last year when they got caught. Every American has, and the data base collecting is still going on.

Patriot Act. Gov't can come into your home, search it, take what they want, and not inform you. I'm pretty sure they don't even need a warrent for it now, if they say it falls under terroist threats. You can be detained indefinately without a lawyer, and without ever having charges brought on you.

Yeah. That bad.

While this is all true(and I am on your team here) you must remember only a select few know this, and even understand what it all means.

I think we forget that sometimes the few vocalists on forums, these in particular tend to be well educated and reasonably informed people.

I would guess that the VAST majority of the US population does not know the above, or it is such a distant part of the govt that it does not affect their daily, law-abiding life. And in fairness, it hasn't affected mine beyond the extra annoyance when I travel for business, which I do weekly

But even that is only an annoyance. I now have to take off my shoes and either check luggage or pick up razors and shaving cream from the hotel lobby....now do I personally feel that( and other things) are worth giving up for a "safe" flight, no...but not my call. I can either deal or GTFO, I'm dealing

Most of these laws have the potential to invade and corrupt the unknown american, but aside from a few horror stories that were not meant to leak, they do not....doesn't mean I agree with them, but just trying to show that most people don't care because they are not affected.

I don't think this country will riot/reform/revolution/etc for a very very long time. As said in other threads, we may have "poverty" here, but it's a near insult to call it poverty to what exists elsewhere in the world. Who cares who bush is wiretapping so long as I can get my frapaccino, amirite? Point being that until the avg american, not rich Bob in his high rise in a major US city, can't get simple things like food and shelter anymore, everything will keep turning.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Fury

You asked; "How has your life changed in the last 7 years after 9/11 in respects to everything being America now being gone?", and I gave you several examples that you choose to ignore.

You did not answer any questions, you only asked me more questions. I asked you how your life changed in the last 7 years after 9/11 in respects to everything being America now being gone, and you responded with:

Have you tried to fly anywhere in the last 7 years? Mail a package to someone via U.S. Mail? Gov't wiretaping? A fucking war in Iraq that's still going on. Where the fuck have you been living?

That isn't answering questions. Thats asking questions.

Extra security at airports so tight that, until very recently, you couldn't even take water onto a plane.

And and previous to 9/11, you were not allowed to bring food on the plane either. In fact, I don't think you're allowed to still.

Not to mention "overzealous" security deciding random items can be used as weapons, including diamond studded earrings, to be confiscated.

I had never heard that diamond studded earrings being confiscated, and agree thats too far if they are. I do know that the ask you to take off piercings when going through metal detectors though, as they might set them off.

I'm sure they would have turned them in instead of pocketing them...

And I'm sure the person who had them confiscated said "Oh well, shucks. Its only diamonds" and never pursued getting them back.

I won't even get into the racial profiling or attractive women being strip searched.

I've actually never heard of anyone being strip searched "randomly" at the airport before boarding a plane, but if it happens, yep too far. Can you source it (I'd be curious to read about this).

If all you've had to do was take off your shoes, you're very, very lucky.

I guess so. That was all me or my coworker (we always fly on business together) have ever been through. When I flew to China, I had to power on my laptop to TSA to prove it was a laptop so I could take it on board. I also once got the checkered ticket, for the more exhausted search - where they pull you aside, have you take off your shoes (again), and had to have the metal detector wand thing. I think the whole process took about 2-3 minutes and was done before boarding began. I'm a white male, so I was obviously racially profiled by the random "checkered pattern boarding pass".

You cannot drop of small packages at mailboxes. You have to go to the P.O

That stinks. Too far, I'm in agreement.

You've been wiretaped. And you're right, you didn't know about it until last year when they got caught. Every American has, and the data base collecting is still going on.

Wiretapping is nothing new. Have you ever heard of Project Echelon (hint: its been around since the late 40s, and is much much more intrusive than just a wiretap). That kinda excludes this being something new since 9/11.

Patriot Act. Gov't can come into your home, search it, take what they want, and not inform you.

Can you point out in the patriot act the entire section this is in?

I'm pretty sure they don't even need a warrent for it now, if they say it falls under terroist threats.

Again, can you point out in the patriot act the entire section this is in?

You can be detained indefinately without a lawyer, and without ever having charges brought on you.

If you are not a US citizen, yes. Was this the case before 9/11? Yes. Hello to you Japanese Concentration Camps of World War 2.

Yeah. That bad.[/quote]

Yeah.