Yet another article on global warming

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Millie

Meteorologists (aka, weathermen) "study" weather patterns in a fixed area (i.e., Seattle, or Philadelphia, or Scranton) for the purposes of predicting upcoming weather for TV viewers. They know jack-all about the global climate, climatology, the actual science behind their fields, etc.

The only skills required to be a meteorologist are being nonthreateningly good-looking and/or congenial, being able to read off of a teleprompter, and being able to gesture at a green screen while describing the chances of rain on the upcoming Memorial Day weekend in Terra Haute. The requirements for obtaining a meteorology degree are ridiculously lax. Back when my father worked for a local TV station, he'd talk about how weathermen and weather girls were basically just pretty faces that the producers sent off to meteorology school for a year or two to get their easy degrees and then come back. They were basically the sort of people deemed too dumb for the anchor's desk and too pretty to do traffic. I'm sure the IQ requirements of the job have dropped even further in recent years, now that the general trend in weather reporting seems to be shifting away from "congenial, slightly older weatherman" to "dumb blonde with a nice rack and a silly laugh."

Comparing legitimate climatologists to meteorologists is a bit like comparing marine biologists to dolphin trainers at SeaWorld. One of them knows almost everything there is to know about dolphins; the other knows that if you hold a fish in the air, you can make a dolphin jump.

Where are you getting this information from? Because that's what I thought as well. But after (briefly) reading up about meteorologists it seems like they're more qualified than I'd have thought. They are scientists that deal directly with climate and weather changes and what causes them. Granted, they aren't sitting in a lab studying the effects of carbon emissions on the planet, but they do all have degrees in a scientific field dealing directly with climate change.

I just don't see how it discredits the entire list because a small portion of the scientists on it are meteorologists.

[voodoochile78]

Originally Posted by #3

My biggest argument against putting the primary blame on humans for climate change is that it completely takes God out of the picture. It must have slipped these people's minds that God created the heavens and the earth and has control over what's going on. (Dear Lord Jesus...did I just open a new pandora's box?) Yeah, I said it. Do you honestly believe God would allow humans to destroy the earth He created? Of course, if you don't believe in God and creationism then I can see why you would easily buy into the whole global warming fanfare. I think in many ways that's what this movement is ultimately out to do - rid the mere mention of God in any context. What these environmentalists are actually saying is "we know more than God - we're bigger than God - God is just a fantasy - science is real...He isn't...listen to US!" I have a huge problem with that.

That's funny, considering how pissed off the usual suspects were when I said earlier that the Creationist demographic and Global Warming Denier demographic were the same.

[slitz]

Originally Posted by Manseed

Where are you getting this information from? Because that's what I thought as well. But after (briefly) reading up about meteorologists it seems like they're more qualified than I'd have thought. They are scientists that deal directly with climate and weather changes and what causes them. Granted, they aren't sitting in a lab studying the effects of carbon emissions on the planet, but they do all have degrees in a scientific field dealing directly with climate change.

Here it's at least 3.5-4 years at the University with a lot of physics and mathematics to get the degree.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

That is some mighty fancy backpedalling.

You asked for one, he gave 44, you narrowed down that well, "they know some science," then you set the goal posts a little further back for him.

Good show.

Pffft not THOSE 10% of the entire list. He was talking about the OTHER guys.

[James]

Originally Posted by voodoochile78

That's funny, considering how pissed off the usual suspects were when I said earlier that the Creationist demographic and Global Warming Denier demographic were the same.

I think you're confusing pissed off and dismissive. You're a flaming shitbag that is absolutely no better than the people you so very loathe. The ultimate irony, as it were. Your opinion, and thus stated 'facts' that go along with that opinion, are not worth it to print out and wipe my ass with. You're a loser, a degenerate, someone who can't grasp the full context of any given situation. Where other people may sometimes view things with rose tinted glasses, you view them with a Democrat's dick in your mouth.

Get hit by a truck.

[voodoochile78]

At least I believe in evolution and global warming.

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by voodoochile78

At least I believe in evolution and global warming.

Global Warming is just another scare shit from the media. Yes, it is happening slightly... but, it's nothing we should be OMG GLOBAL WARMING. There are much worse things to worry about.

The ignorance in our society when it comes to Global Warming is just pathetic. People suck in everything that comes out of Al Gores lying mouth like its the lords gospel.

Talk to any Meteorologist of worth and they will all tell you what a hoax global warming is.

//I work for a Weather Software Company. I hear PHD LIBERAL Meteorologists bitching about the misinformation spread by uncertified people (such as Al Gore) daily.

[Gryeyes]

I once saw it rain and feel im qualified to have an opinion also. What petition do i sign?

[Eomer]

Talk to any Meteorologist of worth and they will all tell you what a hoax global warming is.

//I work for a Weather Software Company. I hear PHD LIBERAL Meteorologists bitching about the misinformation spread by uncertified people (such as Al Gore) daily.

Gee, and here I was thinking that it was climatologists who were the ones truly qualified to study and theorize about climate, and meteorologists stuck with the weather. Silly me.

[Millie]

Originally Posted by Vinen

Talk to any Meteorologist of worth and they will all tell you what a hoax global warming is.

For the last time, meteorologists are entirely unqualified to assess long-term climate models and climate change. They study short-term weather patterns. Climatologists are the ones who can make informed claims about the state of global warming.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia's Article on Climatology

In contrast to meteorology, which studies short term weather systems lasting up to a few weeks, climatology studies the frequency and trends of those systems. It studies the periodicity of weather events over years to millennia, as well as changes in long-term average weather patterns, in relation to atmospheric conditions. Climatologists, those who practice climatology, study both the nature of climates - local, regional or global - and the natural or human-induced factors that cause climates to change. Climatology considers the past and can help predict future climate change.

Phenomena of climatological interest include the atmospheric boundary layer, circulation patterns, heat transfer (radiative, convective and latent), interactions between the atmosphere and the oceans and land surface (particularly vegetation, land use and topography), and the chemical and physical composition of the atmosphere. Related disciplines include astrophysics, atmospheric physics, chemistry, ecology, geology, geophysics, glaciology, hydrology, oceanography, and volcanology.

From the article Meteorology vs. Climatology: How Time Means the Difference Between Weather and Climate

What is Climatology?

The most basic definition of climatology is the study of climate. Climatologists use a 30 year mean to define normal climate for a region. They study and discover the impact of climate, explaining how it will affect society. Climatologists provide benchmarks on which to compare climate data, detecting the patterns and trends of weather. There are several branches of climatology, including Paleoclimatology and Historical Climatology.

What is Meteorology?

Meteorology is the study of the current weather conditions. A meteorologist, known to most as the “weatherman”, also formulates short-term weather forecasting. Meteorologists use Doppler Radar to predict precipitation, wind direction or when storm tracking. They record daily weather data and records. Meteorologists make use of weather data collected by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, more specifically the National Weather Service. The National Weather Service alerts and warnings help meteorologists determine the extent and impact of storms, flooding, fire threats, tsunamis and other weather situations.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Your words are meaningless, you LIBERAL.

Vinen - really, was it necessary?

[JeydaX]

Originally Posted by Angerz

They need to find a way to tell me how going green will save me money, make my life better.

See that's a big problem I have with doomsayer-gulliblewarming-hippy-tree-huggin'-liberals. I don't believe in global warming, but I couldn't agree more that trying to pollute less certainly isn't a bad idea. The only problem behind it is money. Money is what will drive people - not this ZOMFG END OF THE WORLD INC GET RDY bullshit. If we can some how find a way to pollute less, spend less on energy, stuff like that, I'm all for it. That's what I study in school is hippy-green shit like this. My motives are completely different, though. All these people I work with and am in school (and most in colleges) are in it to make themselves feel good about driving their cars... I'm in it for the financial and economic side of things.

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by JeydaX

I'm in it for the financial and economic side of things.

You are exactly why we are doomed.

[Manseed]

What is Climatology?

The most basic definition of climatology is the study of climate. Climatologists use a 30 year mean to define normal climate for a region. They study and discover the impact of climate, explaining how it will affect society. Climatologists provide benchmarks on which to compare climate data, detecting the patterns and trends of weather. There are several branches of climatology, including Paleoclimatology and Historical Climatology.

Why is a 30 year sample being used to create theory against a 4.5 billion year old earth? I took statistics in college, and I'm sure that this is way above my head, but I remember needing a sample size a little larger than a fraction of a percent.

edit: I'm actually interested in how/if they can actually get data on the climate several millions of years ago. Anyone know?

[Gryeyes]

Originally Posted by Manseed

Why is a 30 year sample being used to create theory against a 4.5 billion year old earth? I took statistics in college, and I'm sure that this is way above my head, but I remember needing a sample size a little larger than a fraction of a percent.

There are several branches of climatology, including Paleoclimatology and Historical Climatology.

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