Modern road to White House 'verges on insane,' says Gingrich

Terial · 02-08-2008, 10:09 AM

I do not send out political stuff pretty much ever, but this speech really hit home and is a real wake up call that some people need to realize

Modern road to White House 'verges on insane,' says Gingrich - CNN.com

TOOL · 02-08-2008, 10:34 AM

[sarcasm]

Now in hindsight, Romney's comment about Clinton and Obama surrendering to terrorism seems half-hearted and lackluster.

I'm so glad we have such competent warmongers like Gingrich fighting on our side though, it sure would suck to be on the loosing side of a war. I almost feel bad for the terrorists really, I mean, if they had leadership like Gingrich they wouldn't have to worry about their countries being invaded at all.

[/sarcasm]

This disgusts me. That people are gullible enough to fall for this disgusts me even more.

Terial · 02-08-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TOOL

This disgusts me. That people are gullible enough to fall for this disgusts me even more.

(ignorance is bliss huh)
what disgusts me is that you think that we live in a perfect world where stuff like what he is saying can not possibly exist... open your eyes just a bit more

I am not a huge Gingrich fan, but what he is talking about is the world we live in if you believe it or not is irrelevant.

TOOL · 02-08-2008, 11:20 AM

In the world I live in, more American citizens have died while killing Iraqis on Iraqi soil than from terrorist attacks on American soil.

This war is creating terrorists, not killing them.

If you honestly think that the war on terrorism is making the world a safer place, you should join the Army and go to Iraq, and then get shot.

Like you said, ignorance is bliss. If you can't hear the hypocrisy in Gingrich's speech, you're far more blissful than I am buddy.

Heavens_Myst · 02-08-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TOOL

In the world I live in, more American citizens died while killing Germans on German soil than from Japanese attacks on American soil.

This kind of thinking is incredibly stupid.

TOOL · 02-08-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Heavens_Myst

This kind of thinking is incredibly stupid.

You're absolutely right. Millions of people died in WWII, and the kind of thinking that started WWII was incredibly stupid.

But this thread isn't about WWII, and I hope to God that it doesn't turn into a thread with bunch of incredibly stupid people wanting to start WWIII.

Sunder · 02-08-2008, 12:03 PM

Wait wait wait... when did an article about the length of time the current Presidential campaigns run end up spawning a thread related to a comment not even talked about in the article? I am so confused.

That being said, Gingrich said some awfully true things. Asking someone in January 2007 what they will do in January 2009 and beyond is reaching to say the least. Hell, asking someone in January 2008 what should happen in January 2009 is a bit of a stretch, but one more people are used to.

Khorum · 02-08-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by TOOL

In the world I live in, more American citizens have died while killing Iraqis on Iraqi soil than from terrorist attacks on American soil.

This war is creating terrorists, not killing them.

If you honestly think that the war on terrorism is making the world a safer place, you should join the Army and go to Iraq, and then get shot.

Like you said, ignorance is bliss. If you can't hear the hypocrisy in Gingrich's speech, you're far more blissful than I am buddy.

You're a fucking retard.

sachemsiouxx · 02-08-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Khorum

You're a fucking retard.

And you are obviously not very good at finding arguments.
Hell, you're not even that good at flaming.

Khorum · 02-08-2008, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sachemsiouxx

And you are obviously not very good at finding arguments.
Hell, you're not even that good at flaming.

France HAHAHAH

kedwyn · 02-08-2008, 01:45 PM

Sad when people don't look at the message only the person saying it and ignore everything else. Then we wonder why we have been in a political stalemate for decades.

Both sides have valid points, both parties are to blame for everything we experience and hate today. Everyone just likes to point the finger at the other guy while ignoring what their own guy does.

Seths · 02-08-2008, 01:48 PM

I'm all for hating Bush. Hating Chenny / Rove more than Satan though. They may have lied and we probably wouldn't have been there if they hadn't but... Over the past 60+ years we've cultivated the hatred of people around the world for our foreign policies (democrat and republican alike) that tended to make their lives worse simply because "we" in our infinite wisdom thought it was the best course of action to take for the current moment. Those people have a right to be pissed at us...I would be. (Not talking about the religious zealot cocksmokers)

But when you read stuff like this

Senseless killing of women

Then I believe we should be there and are helping. Someday we may see an end to this kind of thing, but not if we're not involved to make a change. We may not be the world's policemen (and I don't think we should be) but we damn well should stand up for those that can't help themselves, and while we may be there for the wrong reasons, we're still there and we're still doing good by being there.

Every soldier we lose or is injured isn't being lost or hurt for nothing and that's just my personal opinion.

Sunder · 02-08-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Seths

Then I believe we should be there and are helping. Someday we may see an end to this kind of thing, but not if we're not involved to make a change. We may not be the world's policemen (and I don't think we should be) but we damn well should stand up for those that can't help themselves, and while we may be there for the wrong reasons, we're still there and we're still doing good by being there.

So I assume you support an invasion of Africa to stop the mass slaughtering that is happening on that continent.

Draegan · 02-08-2008, 01:54 PM

This article is from Aug07.

Baerf · 02-08-2008, 02:01 PM

I'm not one for getting into these discussions on the internet. When i have, it generally turned into a big pile of shite.

However, i really do not buy into this fear that these "terrorists" are trying very hard to destroy our way of life. And the key words in that statement is "very hard". I have no doubt that there are people / groups in this word which would like to do this, but wanted to do something and actually acting on it are two completely different things.

Infact i would go as far as to say that the current "Terrorist" threat is akin to the "People's Front of Judea" from the Life of Brian. All talk, a small bit of action and nothing more.

I know and appreciate that America was attacked on Sept 11. However, i have a massive failure of understanding that these people were able to hijack 4 planes, avoid security during the planning stages, and the implementation, destroy 2 iconical structures and hit a heavily guarded structure - yet, they are unable to carry out anymore terrorist activies.

From what was planned to happen on Sept 11th, then it should be extremely easy for "said terrorists" to either:

1) Buy guns in America and go on a shooting rampage in crowded areas or,
2) Construct bombs to be used as suicide devices in said crowded areas.

It's not as though, it's difficult to enter America via the "back-door". Millions of Mexicans can testify to that, and i do have difficulty believing that the American intelligence has improved to be THAT good to stop all these waves of attacks.

I also appreciate the arguement of "If we don't fight them over there, then they will be over here". But does that make any REAL sense? If you wanted to destroy and murder a country, would you really fight in a situation where you are fighting against heavily armed troops, or would you head to the source of said troops, an easily accessible (and it is, see the Mexican point) home source and wage your campain there?

Of course, they maybe stupid and not understanding this, and perhaps (and i'm not a military expert) this is the truth in their actions. But considering that they were able to implement such an attack on American soil as per Sept 11th, then again, i have a hard time understanding or even believing this way of thought.

Not having a pop at anyone, i've read thse threads on FoH and i know how heated they can get.

02-08-2008, 10:09 AM	#1 (permalink)
Terial Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 412 +5 Internets	Modern road to White House 'verges on insane,' says Gingrich I do not send out political stuff pretty much ever, but this speech really hit home and is a real wake up call that some people need to realize Modern road to White House 'verges on insane,' says Gingrich - CNN.com __________________ Sit & Rotate -Terial

02-08-2008, 12:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
Sunder Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,095	Wait wait wait... when did an article about the length of time the current Presidential campaigns run end up spawning a thread related to a comment not even talked about in the article? I am so confused. That being said, Gingrich said some awfully true things. Asking someone in January 2007 what they will do in January 2009 and beyond is reaching to say the least. Hell, asking someone in January 2008 what should happen in January 2009 is a bit of a stretch, but one more people are used to. __________________ "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." --Mark Twain

02-08-2008, 01:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
kedwyn Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 781	Sad when people don't look at the message only the person saying it and ignore everything else. Then we wonder why we have been in a political stalemate for decades. Both sides have valid points, both parties are to blame for everything we experience and hate today. Everyone just likes to point the finger at the other guy while ignoring what their own guy does. __________________ Welcome to SOE's Station pass, AKA MMO mediocrity or worst.

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02-08-2008, 10:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
TOOL Yes. Oui. Si. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Anonymity is a virtue. Posts: 536 -7 Internets	[sarcasm] Now in hindsight, Romney's comment about Clinton and Obama surrendering to terrorism seems half-hearted and lackluster. I'm so glad we have such competent warmongers like Gingrich fighting on our side though, it sure would suck to be on the loosing side of a war. I almost feel bad for the terrorists really, I mean, if they had leadership like Gingrich they wouldn't have to worry about their countries being invaded at all. [/sarcasm] This disgusts me. That people are gullible enough to fall for this disgusts me even more.

02-08-2008, 11:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
TOOL Yes. Oui. Si. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Anonymity is a virtue. Posts: 536 -7 Internets	In the world I live in, more American citizens have died while killing Iraqis on Iraqi soil than from terrorist attacks on American soil. This war is creating terrorists, not killing them. If you honestly think that the war on terrorism is making the world a safer place, you should join the Army and go to Iraq, and then get shot. Like you said, ignorance is bliss. If you can't hear the hypocrisy in Gingrich's speech, you're far more blissful than I am buddy.

02-08-2008, 01:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Seths Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 333 +2 Internets	I'm all for hating Bush. Hating Chenny / Rove more than Satan though. They may have lied and we probably wouldn't have been there if they hadn't but... Over the past 60+ years we've cultivated the hatred of people around the world for our foreign policies (democrat and republican alike) that tended to make their lives worse simply because "we" in our infinite wisdom thought it was the best course of action to take for the current moment. Those people have a right to be pissed at us...I would be. (Not talking about the religious zealot cocksmokers) But when you read stuff like this Senseless killing of women Then I believe we should be there and are helping. Someday we may see an end to this kind of thing, but not if we're not involved to make a change. We may not be the world's policemen (and I don't think we should be) but we damn well should stand up for those that can't help themselves, and while we may be there for the wrong reasons, we're still there and we're still doing good by being there. Every soldier we lose or is injured isn't being lost or hurt for nothing and that's just my personal opinion.

02-08-2008, 01:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
Draegan Don't Look Now Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 4,662 -25 Internets	This article is from Aug07.

02-08-2008, 02:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Baerf Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: England Posts: 37 +0 Internets	I'm not one for getting into these discussions on the internet. When i have, it generally turned into a big pile of shite. However, i really do not buy into this fear that these "terrorists" are trying very hard to destroy our way of life. And the key words in that statement is "very hard". I have no doubt that there are people / groups in this word which would like to do this, but wanted to do something and actually acting on it are two completely different things. Infact i would go as far as to say that the current "Terrorist" threat is akin to the "People's Front of Judea" from the Life of Brian. All talk, a small bit of action and nothing more. I know and appreciate that America was attacked on Sept 11. However, i have a massive failure of understanding that these people were able to hijack 4 planes, avoid security during the planning stages, and the implementation, destroy 2 iconical structures and hit a heavily guarded structure - yet, they are unable to carry out anymore terrorist activies. From what was planned to happen on Sept 11th, then it should be extremely easy for "said terrorists" to either: 1) Buy guns in America and go on a shooting rampage in crowded areas or, 2) Construct bombs to be used as suicide devices in said crowded areas. It's not as though, it's difficult to enter America via the "back-door". Millions of Mexicans can testify to that, and i do have difficulty believing that the American intelligence has improved to be THAT good to stop all these waves of attacks. I also appreciate the arguement of "If we don't fight them over there, then they will be over here". But does that make any REAL sense? If you wanted to destroy and murder a country, would you really fight in a situation where you are fighting against heavily armed troops, or would you head to the source of said troops, an easily accessible (and it is, see the Mexican point) home source and wage your campain there? Of course, they maybe stupid and not understanding this, and perhaps (and i'm not a military expert) this is the truth in their actions. But considering that they were able to implement such an attack on American soil as per Sept 11th, then again, i have a hard time understanding or even believing this way of thought. Not having a pop at anyone, i've read thse threads on FoH and i know how heated they can get.