Sharia Law in the UK unavoidable

[AladainAF]

BBC NEWS | UK | Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'

Surprised this has not been posted yet. This is extremely scary in my opinion. Is he basically advocating allowing a certain religious group (in this case the peaceful and loving religion of islam) to circumvent the legal system in favor of their own? Could you imagine if this was done to all religions?

What a mess.

It looks like the Time Traveler might have been onto something back in 2006.

EDIT:

follow up article:

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Archbishop sparks Sharia law row

[Tolanin]

more reason to continue and expand the extermination campaign.

[Chips]

I would like to see some of the laws of "The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster" come into affect.

[Soriak]

You will notice the debate is about tort/civil law, not criminal law.

For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.

I definitely agree with this. If both parties agree to have it settled in a different manner, they are free to do so. Whether that's through a secular arbiter or a religious one doesn't matter. You can come to an agreement in civil law however you want. So the government offers a different marriage license with the note that disputes are settled in the Sharia court system for those who want it, or it's something the couple settles in a prenup.

In the US many types of contracts commonly include a waiver of a trial by jury and an agreement to settle any disputes with a private arbiter (selected by the company and who almost always rules in their favor). But as long as people voluntarily agree to it by signing the contract, there's no reason for the government to step in.

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For example, Muslim Males could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court. Or have his wife stoned to death for being raped.

Caught a typo for you!

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

The hilarity of the Muslim world using western tactics to get their way is not lost on me. Luckily, I'll be too busy living it up in the bastion of non-Abrahamic religious thought to give a shit what is going on in Europe and America in the next 50 years.

[Cynno]

We have arbitration in certain circumstances. How is this idea any different than having a set arbitrator solve an issue between two people?

Hell, we have Judge Judy and about a billion others that aren't real courts. Perhaps now we need a new show called Judge Osama Hussein Al Sheik Muhhamad?

[prescient63]

Which brings up an interesting point, why the fuck is Judge Judy one of the highest paid people on TV? Do that many people really watch her show? $30 mil a year? I can't even wrap my head around that. What is her demographic? Retirees and unemployed retards?

[Quineloe]

He stresses that "nobody in their right mind would want to see in this country the kind of inhumanity that's sometimes been associated with the practice of the law in some Islamic states; the extreme punishments, the attitudes to women as well".

Sometimes been associated? Did he mean to say "That is actually happening" and they wouldnt let him?

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

Sometimes been associated? Did he mean to say "That is actually happening" and they wouldnt let him?

When people hear of Sharia law, that's what they think of. But there's a whole tort/civil law that goes along with it that is absolutely compatible with western customs. For example the ban on paying interest for loans - it took European banks a long time to offer no-interest accounts. (Checking accounts offer interest here) I think some banks now come up with ways of compensation that isn't directly an interest payment, but I have no idea how it works. Anyway, you can often times achieve a lot with very little and some of it is just common sense. No reason for a bank to insist on paying you interest, after all... I remember hearing an offer once where the bank would donate your theoretical interest in your name, so clients could deduct it from their taxes and follow the law requiring donations to the poor - all while avoiding being paid interest.

The opposition to Muslim traditions in the west is quite annoying. We're not talking about stoning people to death here, but the harmless practices of the religion. The right-wing party here wants to prevent Mosques from having minarets - how stupid is that? I live right next to a synagogue and nobody seems to have a problem with that building - it's an impressive and large construction (also quite beautiful), certainly more noticeable than a small minaret. I can't even begin to count the churches - probably at least 3 within 10 minutes walking distance.

[tjac]

Originally Posted by Soriak

For example the ban on paying interest for loans - it took European banks a long time to offer no-interest accounts.

Are we talking about usury?

[Tolanin]

if the interest is bellow the rate of inflation does it still count? cause if not i dont want all those dirty sand niggers moving to the US for our negative interest banks!

[Quineloe]

If our civil legal system is so "compatible" to the non-stoning part of the Shariah, they can fucking use it. We can do perfectly fine without it.
What bugs me most is the part about "Martial" part. We already know that Women have no rights to Muslims, we really don't need muslim women in europe being forced by their families to sign their rights away

The penetration of our culture by immigrants that are mostly criminal is quite annoying as well. I really don't see how you can compare this to some stupid mosque.

[tjac]

Originally Posted by Cynno

We have arbitration in certain circumstances. How is this idea any different than having a set arbitrator solve an issue between two people?

Arbitration can be a really unpredictable mess that just winds up in front of the courts, in one way or another. Something like Sharia arbitration might work between two muslims with some sort of Muslim Arbitration Association arbitrator, though.

At first glance, I can't really see it working out between two random citizens, in the UK or the US -- I think decisions reached through religious arbitration would be susceptible to appeals for disrgarding the law.

[Miele]

Originally Posted by Soriak

When people hear of Sharia law, that's what they think of. But there's a whole tort/civil law that goes along with it that is absolutely compatible with western customs. For example the ban on paying interest for loans - it took European banks a long time to offer no-interest accounts. (Checking accounts offer interest here) I think some banks now come up with ways of compensation that isn't directly an interest payment, but I have no idea how it works. Anyway, you can often times achieve a lot with very little and some of it is just common sense. No reason for a bank to insist on paying you interest, after all... I remember hearing an offer once where the bank would donate your theoretical interest in your name, so clients could deduct it from their taxes and follow the law requiring donations to the poor - all while avoiding being paid interest.

The opposition to Muslim traditions in the west is quite annoying. We're not talking about stoning people to death here, but the harmless practices of the religion. The right-wing party here wants to prevent Mosques from having minarets - how stupid is that? I live right next to a synagogue and nobody seems to have a problem with that building - it's an impressive and large construction (also quite beautiful), certainly more noticeable than a small minaret. I can't even begin to count the churches - probably at least 3 within 10 minutes walking distance.

With all respect, they can go fuck themselves and abide to our rules, since these are our fucking countries or they can go die in the sand for what I care.
If you give them one finger, they are gonna take the whole arm, this is a given, since they are opportunists by nature.
We have laws here, based on a quite ancient law system, if they don't like them, they can go somewhere else.
It's not that we can go in their countries and pretend our laws work there just fine, can we?
I'm quite certain it won't happen here in Italy, first because we have the Vatican and the Pope, second because a lot of people would burn them if they do some stupid shit, the cauldron is already boiling, I wouldn't risk further.
Do you know most of those emigrating from north Africa, Kurdistan, Pakistan, India, Albania, Kosovo, Iraq, Iran and a multitude of other countries are landing here first? I assure you it's not a lovely attitude the one we have towards them now.