Clinton and Obama - Page 485

Soriak · 05-31-2008, 11:39 AM

She can come ahead if you give her all the votes from Florida and Michigan, don't give Obama the votes in Michigan (since they voted "uncommitted") and I think you also have to not count caucus states.

I think you could really simplify this though: just don't count the votes for Obama and Clinton will be ahead

It makes perfect sense after you come back from drinking with blue collars:

Sharmai · 05-31-2008, 11:48 AM

OK i just found it on real clear politics.com and thanks Soriak.

It turns out that if Obama gets the popular uncommitted then he is still ahead so the only way hilary comes out of this ahead any anyway is just as Soriak said above..

Sigh...

RealClearPolitics - 2008 Elections - Democratic Vote Count

Soriak · 05-31-2008, 12:30 PM

Demonstrations outside the DNC committee meeting... boy do they look stupid: Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Looks like Obama supporters listened to his campaign and didn't show up, except for at least one idiot. Like arguing with the screaming obesity crowd is going to do any good

Bristlebane · 05-31-2008, 12:40 PM

Bristlebane · 05-31-2008, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soriak

Demonstrations outside the DNC committee meeting... boy do they look stupid: Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Looks like Obama supporters listened to his campaign and didn't show up, except for at least one idiot. Like arguing with the screaming obesity crowd is going to do any good

If those were Obama supporters in a state he could win, you'd be making a huge deal about it. Not that you can even vote.

Bristlebane · 05-31-2008, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Snugglebear

I hope SNL picks this up and has a Dunkin Donots commercial with a stinger missile and an AK-47.

"Papa Bear" Bill O'Reilly was whining about the scarf on his show, too. It's just so unbelievably stupid. It was a scarf.

Soriak · 05-31-2008, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristlebane

If those were Obama supporters in a state he could win, you'd be making a huge deal about it. Not that you can even vote.

Huh? If you recall, I supported Clinton for most of this thread. You can't tell me you haven't noticed a shift in her campaign and the trend of her supporters though. She's not running anything close to the campaign she ran 4 months ago.

I fully get that she'd adapt her strategy and fight hard for the nomination, but when she starts to speak of voter disenfranchisement and tries to frame it as if Obama were stealing the nomination, she's taking it way too far. At some point it stopped being a contest between two candidates and turned into an all out assault. It doesn't help when she claims to be ahead in the popular vote, using a model that doesn't count votes in caucus states and the uncommitted in Michigan. (it's not like 40%+ of voters just didn't make up their mind on whom to vote for and nobody there wanted Obama)

I'm Rich Bitch · 05-31-2008, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soriak

I think you could really simplify this though: just don't count the votes for Obama and Clinton will be ahead.

She thinks she was entitled to the nomination. She just always thought, 'This is mine. I'm Bill's wife, I'm white and this is mine.'

GrobbeeTrull2.0 · 05-31-2008, 04:13 PM

The DNC ruled to seat 1/2 delegates for both states, giving the "Undecided" to Obama.

The numbers are now

Obama 2050 / 2118
Clinton 1877 / 2118

Lots of Clintonites in the audience disturbing the panel and being rude and obnoxious, noticably all women.

However, Clinton has stated that she will appeal the ruling at the Credentials Committee... jesus.

Adam12 · 05-31-2008, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

The DNC ruled to seat 1/2 delegates for both states, giving the "Undecided" to Obama.

The numbers are now

Obama 2050 / 2118
Clinton 1877 / 2118

Lots of Clintonites in the audience disturbing the panel and being rude and obnoxious, noticably all women.

However, Clinton has stated that she will appeal the ruling at the Credentials Committee... jesus.

I think it was more of a warning...just letting them know that the Clinton campaign reserves their right to take it to the committee. I'm not so sure that they actually will.

Regime · 05-31-2008, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

However, Clinton has stated that she will appeal the ruling at the Credentials Committee... jesus.

/facepalm

Sharmai · 05-31-2008, 04:33 PM

Anyone noticed that Obama resigned from his church today? Hah talk about great timing. The news will be so focused on this and Hilary that this will be barely talked about. Nice.

On another note Obama after June 3rd will likely need about 20-30 more supers and its over. There are likely that many just waiting till the final state is over to announce then there are the supers who we don't know about...

Soriak · 05-31-2008, 04:35 PM

He's about to give a press conference on his leaving the church: CNN.com Live

I hope he's an atheist and just can't come out and say it outright.

I don't recall if it's 97% of PhDs that are atheists or 97% of natural science PhDs... but certainly the more educated you are, the less likely you are to be religious. I'll go with the odds and say neither of the Clintons or Obama are actually religious.

chaos · 05-31-2008, 04:40 PM

Most politicians aren't. They have to play the game.

Soriak · 05-31-2008, 04:42 PM

Scratch that about atheists, it's FAR less... wtf. How did I remember that so wrongly

“Atheist” Academics « Organizations and Markets

In elite doctoral universities (ie including Harvard) it's 36.6% atheists/agnostics... in the general population of the US, it's 6.9%.

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05-31-2008, 11:39 AM	#7261 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,773 +30 Internets	She can come ahead if you give her all the votes from Florida and Michigan, don't give Obama the votes in Michigan (since they voted "uncommitted") and I think you also have to not count caucus states. I think you could really simplify this though: just don't count the votes for Obama and Clinton will be ahead It makes perfect sense after you come back from drinking with blue collars:

05-31-2008, 12:30 PM	#7263 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,773 +30 Internets	Demonstrations outside the DNC committee meeting... boy do they look stupid: Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com Looks like Obama supporters listened to his campaign and didn't show up, except for at least one idiot. Like arguing with the screaming obesity crowd is going to do any good

05-31-2008, 12:40 PM	#7264 (permalink)
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05-31-2008, 04:13 PM	#7269 (permalink)
GrobbeeTrull2.0 Proud Communist Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 2,347	The DNC ruled to seat 1/2 delegates for both states, giving the "Undecided" to Obama. The numbers are now Obama 2050 / 2118 Clinton 1877 / 2118 Lots of Clintonites in the audience disturbing the panel and being rude and obnoxious, noticably all women. However, Clinton has stated that she will appeal the ruling at the Credentials Committee... jesus.

05-31-2008, 04:35 PM	#7273 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,773 +30 Internets	He's about to give a press conference on his leaving the church: CNN.com Live I hope he's an atheist and just can't come out and say it outright. I don't recall if it's 97% of PhDs that are atheists or 97% of natural science PhDs... but certainly the more educated you are, the less likely you are to be religious. I'll go with the odds and say neither of the Clintons or Obama are actually religious.

05-31-2008, 04:40 PM	#7274 (permalink)
chaos Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 4,383 +6 Internets	Most politicians aren't. They have to play the game.

05-31-2008, 04:42 PM	#7275 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,773 +30 Internets	Scratch that about atheists, it's FAR less... wtf. How did I remember that so wrongly “Atheist” Academics « Organizations and Markets In elite doctoral universities (ie including Harvard) it's 36.6% atheists/agnostics... in the general population of the US, it's 6.9%.