Clinton and Obama

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Originally Posted by whatsamattau

But more on topic, here is how the world health organization ranks the health care systems in the world.

If you can't find us, we're 37th.
Yes! Fuck you Slovenia (38th) and Cuba (39th).

That's obviously bullshit because Michael Moore did a movie about how Cuba is better than the US at healthcare. Are you calling Michael Moore a liar?

[whatsamattau]

Sure, Michael Moore is a liar. I hate that man with the fiery heat of a thousand suns.

And though I haven't seen the movie, I don't think it was *about* how Cuba has a better healthcare system than the US though from what I know he does use it as one of his points. I think it was about how many Americans with health insurance can't get treatment because our health insurance system's goal (To make as much money as possible) stands in direct opposition to our goal as medical patients (To get any care at all). Everyime you get sick, your health insurance provider has to fork out the dough. That's why these companies have entire staffs whose only job is to make sure they don't have to write you a check.

I know. Pretty disgusting.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Mimirswell

120000 died in Tienanmen Square? Last I checked, estimates ranged from the laughable 241 from the Chinese Government to 7000 from NATO.

No there were 120,000 students during the massacre, but about 3,000 killed during the event. The UN and the human rights watch places the total number of "missing" and reeducation camp "casualties" to about 15,000.