Clinton and Obama

[Sharmai]

She needs to drop into the back noise so Hilarys feverant supporters have time to heal over the defeat and move on to the democratic nominee. If she keeps campaigning there won't be any time for this and it will really hurt the party. Shes on a suicide run.

[Araxen]

Originally Posted by Black_Death

She is showing why we should never vote for a woman! Zing!

Naw, I would vote for Donna Brazille as President in a heartbeat.

[Araxen]

Hilary Rosen: I Am Not a Bargaining Chip, I Am a Democrat - Politics on The Huffington Post

Senator Clinton's speech last night was a justifiably proud recitation of her accomplishments over the course of this campaign, but it did not end right. She didn't do what she should have done. As hard and as painful as it might have been, she should have conceded, congratulated, endorsed and committed to Barack Obama. Therefore the next 48 hours are now as important to the future reputation of Hillary Clinton as the last year and a half have been.

I am disappointed. As a long time Hillary Clinton supporter and more importantly, an admirer, I am sad that this historic effort has ended with such a narrow loss for her. There will be the appropriate "if onlys" for a long time to come. If only the staff shakeup happened earlier; if only the planning in caucus states had more focus; if only Hillary had let loose with the authentic human and connecting voice she found in the last three months of the campaign. If only. If only. I have written many times on this site about the talents of Hillary Clinton and why I thought she'd make a great President.

After last night's final primary, she was only about pledged 100 delegates behind him. Ironic that after not wanting to make the decision for so long, it was in fact, the superdelegates who made the decision. But I guess they did so for another reason. It just isn't her time. It is his time. It's a new day that offers a freshness to our party that many have longed for. We felt the rush of new voices and a new energy in the Congressional sweep of 2006 and the sweep continues. It has been an organic shift. And a healthy one.

The life's work of Bill and Hillary Clinton in partnering with so many African Americans uniting our purpose and promoting our mutual issues is as responsible for Barack Obama's success as our first African American nominee as anyone. And yet, that joy is being denied for them by themselves. It is so sad.

So, I am also so very disappointed at how she has handled this last week. I know she is exhausted and she had pledged to finish the primaries and let every state vote before any final action. But by the time she got on that podium last night, she knew it was over and that she had lost. I am sure I was not alone in privately urging the campaign over the last two weeks to use the moment to take her due, pass the torch and cement her grace. She had an opportunity to soar and unite. She had a chance to surprise her party and the nation after the day-long denials about expecting any concession and send Obama off on the campaign trail of the general election with the best possible platform. I wrote before how she had a chance for her "Al Gore moment." And if she had done so, the whole country ALL would be talking today about how great she is and give her her due.

Instead she left her supporters empty, Obama's angry, and party leaders trashing her. She said she was stepping back to think about her options. She is waiting to figure out how she would "use" her 18 million voters.

But not my vote. I will enthusiastically support Barack Obama's campaign. Because I am not a bargaining chip. I am a Democrat.

[Nakilos]

The odd thing is you would think a lot of her supporters would feel similarly to the post described above. If I was a Hillary supporter, I'd be really embarrassed with how she has conducted herself.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Araxen

Naw, I would vote for Donna Brazille as President in a heartbeat.

you really DO repeat me!!!!

Brazile Levin ticket ftw

[Kolle]

if nothing else a hillary supporter should switch to obama due to judges. the women at least. this is why i don't think any of them are serious when claiming they will vote mccain.

[Etoille]

Hillary in 2012 isnt an option anymore tbh. shes done so much damage to the party that she and bill will be pariahs for quite sometime - esp if obama loses in the fall.

[Nakilos]

There is a real awful part of me that when this all shakes out, Bill ditches her for a 20 something blonde big tittied girl. I mean at this point the damage is done politically, there is no 2012, he might as well move on to some vapid twat and live out his days not having to look at her face.

Not to say Bill has had the choicest selection in his day or anything, but Hillary even in her younger days. I don't know how a man maintains a hardon with her. Her existence is a turn off.

[Etoille]

btw i think it was kaio that asked wtf happened to montana last nite -

this is the same game hillarys been playing since the beginning. "the only states that matter are the ones that i say they do. all the red states dont matter until they vote for me. all the big states dont matter unless they vote for me." etc etc.

wasnt a shocker.

hopefully the world will now see how fucking psychotic she is and she and bill will go batshit insane britney spears style.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Nakilos

There is a real awful part of me that when this all shakes out, Bill ditches her for a 20 something blonde big tittied girl. I mean at this point the damage is done politically, there is no 2012, he might as well move on to some vapid twat and live out his days not having to look at her face.

Not to say Bill has had the choicest selection in his day or anything, but Hillary even in her younger days. I don't know how a man maintains a hardon with her. Her existence is a turn off.

oh for sure. ive said that since the beginning. their marriage was all part of the political machine. the only reason they stayed together after the MULTIPLE high profile affairs (not just monica) is because they had a deal that it was Hillarys turn.

if they become pariahs in politics theyll be divorced in 5 years.

sad thing of it all is - if she had actually had the balls to divorce him she would have done better with younger women and he probably wouldnt have trainwrecked her campaign with some of those comments he made.

[Cathan]

Originally Posted by Kolle

this is something republicans always have a difficult time with. they are too self-absorbed and greedy to take a step back and see what needs to happen for the country to improve and for our future to be better than our present.

I disagree wholefuknheartedly. It's not that "I" as a conservative don't want to invest in the future of our country... I just don't want some jackass democrat up there throwing money at shit that's going to end up cranking up my taxes so I have less and the country has more of my hard earned tax money being dropped into bottomless pit democratic bullshit programs that do fuck all to help any of us.

I would love to see college as the norm in this country and for many more people to be able to afford it. The industrial revolution in this country is dead, labor costs a ton anymore. What we do need now is to invest in our people to increase their education and their skills so we have the technology to do more than our competitor countries.

I have no problem investing in things that make sense but democrats typically just throw money at shit expecting it to get better. You don't pay a kid to act right, you teach him...

[chaos]

Originally Posted by Cathan

I disagree wholefuknheartedly. It's not that "I" as a conservative don't want to invest in the future of our country... I just don't want some jackass democrat up there throwing money at shit that's going to end up cranking up my taxes so I have less and the country has more of my hard earned tax money being dropped into bottomless pit democratic bullshit programs that do fuck all to help any of us.

I would love to see college as the norm in this country and for many more people to be able to afford it. The industrial revolution in this country is dead, labor costs a ton anymore. What we do need now is to invest in our people to increase their education and their skills so we have the technology to do more than our competitor countries.

I have no problem investing in things that make sense but democrats typically just throw money at shit expecting it to get better. You don't pay a kid to act right, you teach him...

Dude, could you possibly espouse more of a stereotype? It's like you're reading off the right wing's teleprompter.

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by chaos

Dude, could you possibly espouse more of a stereotype? It's like you're reading off the right wing's teleprompter.

He's just your typical N.C. redneck. "I HATE LIBERALS! YEEHAW!!"

[Kolle]

Originally Posted by Cathan

I disagree wholefuknheartedly. It's not that "I" as a conservative don't want to invest in the future of our country... I just don't want some jackass democrat up there throwing money at shit that's going to end up cranking up my taxes so I have less and the country has more of my hard earned tax money being dropped into bottomless pit democratic bullshit programs that do fuck all to help any of us.

I would love to see college as the norm in this country and for many more people to be able to afford it. The industrial revolution in this country is dead, labor costs a ton anymore. What we do need now is to invest in our people to increase their education and their skills so we have the technology to do more than our competitor countries.

I have no problem investing in things that make sense but democrats typically just throw money at shit expecting it to get better. You don't pay a kid to act right, you teach him...

the average american already pays more for health care and education than they would if it was provided free with higher taxes. the way it currently is does not put more money in your pocket. our current system also causes more money to be spent later. if it's free then people will be more inclined to practice prevention and get check-ups. if they catch something early then not only do they get to live, but it costs less to take care of. with our current system, a lot of people just never go to a doctor until they have no choice.

right now the average family of four will pay over $14,000 each year for health care. this number is going up. a lot of the money involved here doesn't even need to be spent. it's because people/companies have positioned themselves between the patient and the service/product in order to profit.

[Nakilos]

oh for sure. ive said that since the beginning. their marriage was all part of the political machine. the only reason they stayed together after the MULTIPLE high profile affairs (not just monica) is because they had a deal that it was Hillarys turn.

if they become pariahs in politics theyll be divorced in 5 years.

sad thing of it all is - if she had actually had the balls to divorce him she would have done better with younger women and he probably wouldnt have trainwrecked her campaign with some of those comments he made.

I've actually heard I believe a semi compelling comment on their marriage and the affairs et al. They were nothing new in the Clinton marriage, it just became another factor in their relationship. The whole Monica thing wasn't the typical husband cheating on his wife thing, it was more so "I can't believe you've embarrassed me so publicly by not keeping yourself in control". From that aspect, as I've seen it with various people, in some relationship dynamics cheating is really common, people cheat like they are going to golf for the weekend - it has nothing to do with the lack of emotional ties to the person they are with, they just like to fuck. To the public at large, this is a great atrocity. To these kinds of people, it's business as usual.

I don't believe a divorce would've served her politically, however, I don't believe Bill doesn't care about Hillary on a personal level, and vice versa and I do believe they have stayed together for reasons beyond political gain. I don't believe when she met him she saw him as a political vehicle down the road ultimately with her serving in the highest office. I believe they did stimulate each other intellectually and this was probably a significant factor in their relationship. By contrast for example, I could see marrying into the Bush family as a political maneuver by association. Clinton's, not so much (well, not true NOW, but it wasn't true once upon a time).

But I don't know Hillary on a personal level. Publicly, she is like a mother knows best kind of attitude. She might actually be brilliant, witty, friendly and god forbid, a genuine joy of a person to be around in a marriage or friendship. I've just personally not seen anything to indicate that is true in her public persona.