Clinton and Obama

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Neferata

I've seen the first example used. Do you have a source for the second example?

DNC Ad Hammers McCain On Iraq: Watch Video - Politics on The Huffington Post

[Neferata]

Originally Posted by Sunder

DNC Ad Hammers McCain On Iraq: Watch Video - Politics on The Huffington Post

Thanks.

[AladainAF]

A non-bullshit argument is something of substance, that would actually have an affect on my decision one way or the other.

Ok, so does a politician saying things like "Hope", "Change", "Unity", etc substance to you? I just watched Bill Richardson on CNN 5 minutes ago talk to Wolf Blitzer for 10 minutes of about how Obama is better because of "Hope", and "Change", and a "Fresh Face Internationally". That, to me, is not substance. I am not voting for Obama, because just like you want a reason to vote AGAINST Obama, I want a reason to vote FOR Obama. Unfortunately, not one candidate that has a chance of reasonably winning the general election I have any interest in voting for. I disagree with McCain, and Clinton for sure. I have no idea where I stand with Obama, because Obama has not given me one reason to vote for him, other than words. Even Obama's cheerleaders (i.e. Bill Richardson) can only sit on the air and say things like "Hes the right candidate because hes going to bring change!". Others, like Kirk Watson, can't even list ONE legislative accomplishment.

The whole flag pin thing is just bullshit. I don't care if he does wear one. I don't care if he doesn't wear one.

I agree with you on this. I also view "Change" and "Hope" and "Unity" as bullshit as well. Talk is cheap. The reason Wright has been such a hot-fire issue with Obama is because Obamas entire campaign has been based upon things that Wright conflicts with.

What Obama wants to do about healthcare would fall into the non-bullshit category thoug

You mean this? To me, this is completely fluff. There is nothing in there that describes how anything is going to get done.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Neferata

Thanks.

Here it is in context, to contrast what really happened.

[Neferata]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

Ok, so does a politician saying things like "Hope", "Change", "Unity", etc substance to you? I just watched Bill Richardson on CNN 5 minutes ago talk to Wolf Blitzer for 10 minutes of about how Obama is better because of "Hope", and "Change", and a "Fresh Face Internationally". That, to me, is not substance. I am not voting for Obama, because just like you want a reason to vote AGAINST Obama, I want a reason to vote FOR Obama. Unfortunately, not one candidate that has a chance of reasonably winning the general election I have any interest in voting for. I disagree with McCain, and Clinton for sure. I have no idea where I stand with Obama, because Obama has not given me one reason to vote for him, other than words. Even Obama's cheerleaders (i.e. Bill Richardson) can only sit on the air and say things like "Hes the right candidate because hes going to bring change!". Others, like Kirk Watson, can't even list ONE legislative accomplishment.



I agree with you on this. I also view "Change" and "Hope" and "Unity" as bullshit as well. Talk is cheap. The reason Wright has been such a hot-fire issue with Obama is because Obamas entire campaign has been based upon things that Wright conflicts with.



You mean this? To me, this is completely fluff. There is nothing in there that describes how anything is going to get done.

I completely agree with you about the "Hope" and "Change" bullshit. That stuff is pretty meaningless to me. I have to take off for now, but I'll go into the reasons I'm currently leaning towards Obama when I get back.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

Here it is in context, to contrast what really happened.

Context? Context means nothing. I just need a sound bite. McCain wants us to be at war for 100 years. I will keep saying it.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

Ok, so does a politician saying things like "Hope", "Change", "Unity", etc substance to you? I just watched Bill Richardson on CNN 5 minutes ago talk to Wolf Blitzer for 10 minutes of about how Obama is better because of "Hope", and "Change", and a "Fresh Face Internationally". That, to me, is not substance. I am not voting for Obama, because just like you want a reason to vote AGAINST Obama, I want a reason to vote FOR Obama. Unfortunately, not one candidate that has a chance of reasonably winning the general election I have any interest in voting for. I disagree with McCain, and Clinton for sure. I have no idea where I stand with Obama, because Obama has not given me one reason to vote for him, other than words. Even Obama's cheerleaders (i.e. Bill Richardson) can only sit on the air and say things like "Hes the right candidate because hes going to bring change!". Others, like Kirk Watson, can't even list ONE legislative accomplishment.



I agree with you on this. I also view "Change" and "Hope" and "Unity" as bullshit as well. Talk is cheap. The reason Wright has been such a hot-fire issue with Obama is because Obamas entire campaign has been based upon things that Wright conflicts with.



You mean this? To me, this is completely fluff. There is nothing in there that describes how anything is going to get done.

The "Hope" and "Change" stuff is marketing. People are not voting for Obama based on that. Listen to what he says on the issues. Every candidate has a marketing message. Hillary has "Solutions", "Ready Day 1" , etc. McCain has "I am an American.". You only remember Obama because he is the only Candidate that matters. Nobody cares about the other two slugs.

They all do the same thing. It is just that the media and the electorate is only focused on Obama. This entire election is just about Obama. I can not find the article now but it said 75% of the election news was about Obama and the remaining 25% was about Hillary and McCain. Hell, Rev. Wright gets more press than McCain.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Neferata

I would classify the Wright thing as a viable topic of discussion up until the point that Obama responded to them.

"Oh fuck, does Obama agree with this wacky shit?"

"No"

"Oh, OK"

I mean how long is this supposed to go on? What is Obama supposed to say and why am I supposed to continue to care about this? He said he doesn't agree with that shit so I simply don't care anymore. Issue over. Simply knowing someone that has some silly opinions is not a big factor to me. We all fall into that category of people.

You keep bringing up this argument. You're saying that we should just believe everything that every candidate says? McCain says he's going to make America a better place and win the war on terror. Why is there an argument against that? He said it! Leave him alone already!

[Ashes Emberblade]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Context? Context means nothing. I just need a sound bite. McCain wants us to be at war for 100 years. I will keep saying it.

"I want us to maintain a presence there as long as Americans aren't being wounded or killed." = "I want 100 years of war."

Oooooookaaaaay IRB.

Edit: I found another video of you!

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Context? Context means nothing. I just need a sound bite. McCain wants us to be at war for 100 years. I will keep saying it.

Dude, are you saying context is unimportant? Anyone can make anything up by taking words out of context. In fact, I bet I can take you out of context to make you a right-wing neocon who watches Fox news daily, and thinks Hannity is badass.

McCain did NOT say he wanted us at war for 100 years. If you listened to the video of his answer, then you would know that. You are instead, choosing to ignore the video because it says something you don't want to really believe.

People are not voting for Obama based on that.

That would be great, if all of the people voting for him didn't keep saying "Hope, Change, etc etc". Thats not marketing, thats all there is.

Hell, Rev. Wright gets more press than McCain.

Thats because the big-media coverage right now is not the general election, but the democrat primary. Wright might help mccain as much as it helps Clinton. Thats why it gets coverage.

[Burf]

He DOES watch Fox news daily.

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

McCain - point guns, display force, intimidate Iran into talks.
Obama - talk to them without the above, but still trying to negotiate firmly.

That's what I love about you socialist democrats. All of your brilliant plans would work perfectly if human beings were just a little bit different.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Well, we haven't tried the Dem option in Iran since the.... uh...20's?

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by GrobbeeTrull2.0

Well, we haven't tried the Dem option in Iran since the.... uh...20's?

Hmm... I wonder why...

[James]

I'll tell you what McCain wants to start -- my balls. That's right, gents, for the next one hundred years America will be all over my balls if McCain gets elected. Personally, that's good enough for me to vote for him and should be good enough for you, but I can see how the homosexuals in the crowd (read: 90% of you) wouldn't want my ginormous balls in their tight little sphincters. Understandable, though I can't say it's forgiveable. Vote McCain, vote James' Balls for 100 years.