Clinton and Obama

[Payndar Circusdorf]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Musicals are serious business.

Especially when they shoplift Oscars away from LOTR, dammit.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Musicals are serious business.

ahahaha

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Araxen

lol @ Khorum trying to rip on one of the greatest Mayors ever. Funny stuff.

You're a fucking retard. Rip on one of the greatest mayors ever? The same guy who smiled next to his dad in 1968 while the man who was called The American Pharaoh ordered 5,000 police to attack peaceful demonstrators? The man who bulldozed the Cabrini Green housing projects to make way for 700,000-per-unit townhomes?!? The man who allowed the nepotist Todd Stroger to raise county sales taxes to the highest rate in the fucking country?!?

By what fucking METRIC do you consider Daley anything other than a corrupt, dynastic tyrant, exactly? He's even prepping his ONLY son to succeed him already, the kid who was arrested cavorting with weeping teen sluts in their michigan vacation home. Did you bother firing up a single fucking neuron before you slammed that submit button?

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by Payndar Circusdorf

25 IIRC.

24, at least in Illinois anyway.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Khorum

You're a fucking retard. Rip on one of the greatest mayors ever? The same guy who smiled next to his dad in 1968 while the man who was called The American Pharaoh ordered 5,000 police to attack peaceful demonstrators? The man who bulldozed the Cabrini Green housing projects to make way for 700,000-per-unit townhomes?!? The man who allowed the nepotist Todd Stroger to raise county sales taxes to the highest rate in the fucking country?!?

By what fucking METRIC do you consider Daley anything other than a corrupt, dynastic tyrant, exactly? He's even prepping his ONLY son to succeed him already, the kid who was arrested cavorting with weeping teen sluts in their michigan vacation home. Did you bother firing up a single fucking neuron before you slammed that submit button?

corrupt? yes. dynastic? yes. tyrant? mehhhhh i dont agree with that. like i said unemployments down, crimes down, city looks nice, its in an olympic bid race, educational scores are up, daleys trying to keep CTA prices down/the damn thing from shutting down/lobbying for the state to give it money to keep it open......etc etc

will he do anything to stay in power? yes. absolutely. is that tyranical? not when he knows the best way of doing that is keeping the population at large happy for the most part. he plays the game well enough to break the rules and get away with it. doesnt make him a tyrant though.

[Phelps McManus]

Originally Posted by Etoille

I didnt say I liked the stance. You just asked if he had a stance/position :P

Sorry, I did not mean to come off like I was attacking your view. You only answered my question, which I appreciate.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Phelps McManus

Sorry, I did not mean to come off like I was attacking your view. You only answered my question, which I appreciate.

no need to apologize! i was being a wise ass i knew what you were going for

[Phelps McManus]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

You don't know his stand on the issues because all you Dittoheads just want to know how is his Gardner feels about wearing an American flag pin and roosters.

I don't know his stand because it hasn't come up. I checked his website and did not see it. I also checked wikipedia.

Based on your comment, I assumed you knew a place where I could find it. Now I understand that you do not. When have I ever brought up flag pins or roosters?

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Etoille

corrupt? yes. dynastic? yes. tyrant? mehhhhh i dont agree with that. like i said unemployments down, crimes down, city looks nice, its in an olympic bid race, educational scores are up, daleys trying to keep CTA prices down/the damn thing from shutting down/lobbying for the state to give it money to keep it open......etc etc

will he do anything to stay in power? yes. absolutely. is that tyranical? not when he knows the best way of doing that is keeping the population at large happy for the most part.

I'd GLADLY turn this into Chicago political cockjoust if you insist, but the fact is that CTA reforms started looong before Daley was on the job (under Washington and some even Byrne). The decline in murder rates started under Harold Washington's reforms and the Cities beautification and massive street cleaning/snow removal systems were started by Jane Byrne (who doesn't get anywhere NEAR the credit she deserves). What mayor WOULDN'T expand the CTA and the Streets and Sanitation and the public schools? That's exactly their jobs and as far as reform and improvement Daley didn't improve on ANY of that.

His innovations have been largely shallow and irresponsible partisan pandering: Increased taxes, Expanding the Airport systems to the detriment of homeowners and businesses in the affected regions, more increased taxes, preposterous bike path faggotry on our already-congested streets, the expensive and ineffective "blue bag" recycling fiasco, increased property and tobacco taxes, the expensive (and Target-stores lobbied) Wal-Mart exclusion fiasco, and of course, more fucking taxes.

So in exchange for some new lampposts and bus sheds (LOL) we get almost triple the property taxes we'd paid in the nineties, rampant corruption and patronage in our already-incompetent city infrastructure and a bloated and corrupt police force whose greatest claim to fame is that one of them is very effectively dodging prosecution for murdering his wives and getting rid of the evidence.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Khorum

I'd GLADLY turn this into Chicago political cockjoust if you insist, but the fact is that CTA reforms started looong before Daley was on the job (under Washington and then even Byrne). The decline in murder rates started under Harold Washington's reforms and the Cities beautification and massive street cleaning/snow removal systems were started by Jane Byrne (who doesn't get anywhere NEAR the credit she deserves). What mayor WOULDN'T expand the CTA and the Streets and Sanitation and the public schools? That's exactly their jobs and as far as reform and improvement Daley didn't improve on ANY of that.

His innovations have been largely shallow and irresponsible partisan pandering: Increased taxes, Expanding the Airport systems to the detriment of homeowners and businesses in the affected regions, more increased taxes, preposterous bike path faggotry on our already-congested streets, the expensive and ineffective "blue bag" recycling fiasco, increased property and tobacco taxes, the expensive (and Target-stores lobbied) Wal-Mart exclusion fiasco, and of course, more fucking taxes.

So in exchange for some new lampposts and bus sheds (LOL) we get almost triple the property taxes we'd paid in the nineties, rampant corruption and patronage in our already-incompetent city infrastructure and a bloated and corrupt police force whose greatest claim to fame is that one of them is very effectively dodging prosecution for murdering his wives and getting rid of the evidence.

im talking about his recent lobbying when they were going to shut down parts of the CTA in the last few months :P.

expanding the airport brings in a lot of revenue to the city, you should know better than that. you might not like bike paths but its a green alternative and that keeps the hippies happy. walmart was about more than just target -- and ive said sales and tobacco is stupid.

when the city gets as unhappy as you are with the conditions he'll be escorted out of office. the fact remains that 80% of the voting population in chicago disagrees about the quality of life there.

having moved to the DC area recently, id be in that 80% opposed to your opinion.

PS: move back to nova and then talk to me about congested streets. chicago traffic is NOTHING compared to this shit. ill take the ike every day with 10 multicar accidents during a snowstorm in rush hour vs a nice SATURDAY (normal non holiday) here on 66.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Etoille

expanding the airport brings in a lot of revenue to the city, you should know better than that. you might not like bike paths but its a green alternative and that keeps the hippies happy. walmart was about more than just target -- and ive said sales and tobacco is stupid.

when the city gets as unhappy as you are with the conditions he'll be escorted out of office. the fact remains that 80% of the voting population in chicago disagrees about the quality of life there.

having moved to the DC area recently, id be in that 80% opposed to your opinion.

No actually he'll be escorted by the FBI in exactly the same fashion George Ryan and soon Rod Blagojevich will be. And that will be looong before his approval rate takes a hit.

As far as the airports go, if they're such a GREAT revenue generator then why is your boy Daley putting Midway Airport on sale for privatization AFTER the taxpayers spent hundreds of millions building the new terminal facilities and even a whole subway line between the airport and downtown Chicago? Oh yeah, that's right, because his developer friends convinced him it was a GREAT idea!!!

The same developer friends who fucking convinced Daley that he should sell off the City's ownership of the Chicago Skyway toll road system to a foreign interest and last year's sale pubic-owned parking spaces and other municipal infrastructure to private interests. That keeps the hippies happy too right?

LOL You must have been in DC for a long time if you still think Daley smells like fucking roses. The guy is LITERALLY whoring Chicago off. Not just with massive prostitution of the cities infrastructure but with the destruction of free and low-income housing like Cabrini Green to make room for multimillion-dollar gated estates in the heart of Chicago.

[Araxen]

They've been saying Daley is going to be carted away by the Feds "any day now" for years. He's still around and isn't going anywhere. Try again.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Araxen

They've been saying Daley is going to be carted away by the Feds "any day now" for years. He's still around. Try again.

ooh Ooh you got something juicy to share with us? Anything more concrete than that kneejerk nonconformity you've been strutting with around here while I've been gone? Unless you have something more informed than the verbal STD you contracted while enthusiastically snowballing Obama's dickpaste across the country, keep that diseased cockholster on your face fucking shut.

[Araxen]

let me translate what Khorum just said "I have a sandy vag, let me spew out some expletives and maybe he'll go away."

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Khorum

No actually he'll be escorted by the FBI in exactly the same fashion George Ryan and soon Rod Blagojevich will be. And that will be looong before his approval rate takes a hit.

As far as the airports go, if they're such a GREAT revenue generator then why is your boy Daley putting Midway Airport on sale for privatization AFTER the taxpayers spent hundreds of millions building the new terminal facilities and even a whole subway line between the airport and downtown Chicago? Oh yeah, that's right, because his developer friends convinced him it was a GREAT idea!!!

The same developer friends who fucking convinced Daley that he should sell off the City's ownership of the Chicago Skyway toll road system to a foreign interest and last year's sale pubic-owned parking spaces and other municipal infrastructure to private interests. That keeps the hippies happy too right?

LOL You must have been in DC for a long time if you still think Daley smells like fucking roses. The guy is LITERALLY whoring Chicago off. Not just with massive prostitution of the cities infrastructure but with the destruction of free and low-income housing like Cabrini Green to make room for multimillion-dollar gated estates in the heart of Chicago.

heh im sorry dude. if you think that days comin soon youll be waiting a long ass time.

in re: privatization - and? please explain why this is a bad thing. (im curious actually). the taxpayers money hasnt been misspent they got the value of using the airport/the revenue the second airport has brought in, and privatization means someone else pays for it going forward while the taxpayer still gets the fringe benefits.

i mean a google search of it yields some pretty good benefits from this that back up my initial thoughts on it:

Airport Privatization in the U.S. - by Lynne Kiesling - The Heartland Institute

Airport Privatization...The Windfall Denied US Cities

if anything, thus far my opinion is - great! i want to know why this is a bad thing b/c otherwise im putting this in the plus side of the tallychart for daley.

ps ive been out of chicago for a year