Clinton and Obama

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Manseed

Don't you already get tons of college grants for being poor? I started college when I was 20 and I couldn't get any help whatsoever because my father made more than 100k. Doesn't matter that he wasn't paying for any of it, but I guess just because he 'could have', I had to pay my own way.

If he made more than 100k why would you need assistance even if he did not pay. His salary would allow you to get a loan. The context was the story from Draegan's post of the lady who asked the flag pin question during the debate. That is a heart breaking story. Your situation does not compare.

[Manseed]

Regardless, if it is about acceptance then that is BS as well. All that you need to get into a good school is good grades. Being poor isn't an excuse for being stupid. Schools don't reject you because of your financial status.

[Payndar Circusdorf]

Originally Posted by Manseed

Regardless, if it is about acceptance then that is BS as well. All that you need to get into a good school is good grades. Being poor isn't an excuse for being stupid. Schools don't reject you because of your financial status.

I am a strong opponent of *race*-based AA but in the economic context this statement is a bit off base. The problem arises when students in poor school districts that offer few if any AP classes or extra-curriculars compete against kids with 30+ hours of AP credit and heavy extra-c's.

That is something that no amount of hard work on the kid's part can overcome.

Edit: Clarity

[Manseed]

Originally Posted by Payndar Circusdorf

I am a strong opponent of *race*-based AA but in the economic context this statement is a bit off base. The problem arises when students in poor school districts that offer few if any AP classes or extra-curriculars compete against kids with 30+ hours of AP credit and heavy extra-c's.

That is something that no amount of hard work on the kid's part can overcome.

Edit: Clarity

So that sounds like a problem with the public school system. Not to start a whole other debate, but maybe we should look at fixing public schools and solve the problem at its source.

*cough* vouchers *cough*

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

I will stop. I am not as bad as Khorum however.

Oh? You haven't SUBSTANTIATED or even stated where the factual basis of your support for Obama is based on. We've gotten NOTHING in support of Obama's positions from you but feeble and transparent deflections of blame to OMGFOXNEWS and your girlish fawning for his specious and superficial speeches, holy fucking shit talk about a koolaid-guzzling lemming. Whenever ANYONE has asked you about where and HOW Obama could change policy in any way that could possibly resemble his rhetoric, you veer and whine about how people are stuck on his stubborn refusal to wear the American flag or your ridiculously uninformed opinions about the "flyover states" which happens to include the most radical leftist elected officials in the country including your own Al Gore.

We've ALL provided clear historical evidence of Obama in office. We've all SEEN what he's capable of as sitting representative when he funneled contracts to his patrons and pursued influence-peddlers to find jobs for his friends. There's 12 years of that sort of graft, insincerity and outright malfeasance on Obama's record but when he's thrown SOFTBALLS in a debate about one of his MINOR gaffes using the word "bitter" suddenly the whole media apparatus is a hannitized dittohead bureaucracy?!? LMAO.

What will you cunts do when the Iraqi's cite Obama's Democrat-Machine financing ties to Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted Saddam Hussein accomplice when a President Obama tries to find reconciliation in Iraq? What will you dumbfucks say to the Israelis when they refuse to take seriously a man who sat as a director of the Woods Group, an organization founded by Obama's buddy Rashid Khalidi, an espoused anti-semite and open sympathizer for fucking Hamas?

Are you gonna write strongly worded letters to the Iraqi parliament about their "sordid behavior" in their treatment of your brown messiah? Maybe you think the Economist should run a petition and have every acid-addled hippie in the blogosphere express their disapproval of Musharraf or Putin or Israel or North Korea's unfair deviation from "issues that matter" huh?

Why don't you just TRY to show us where in Obama's history you think he could be even the LEAST bit suited to accomplish any of the lofty goals his staff has written for him. We already have a good indication of the sort of leader Obama is ever since he STOLE his fucking state senate seat in 1996. We have evidence of how he REALLY feels about low-income senior housing and how he REALLY feels about inner-city childcare support with his venal and unconscionable pandering in the state's assembly. But you seem to think that his capacity for delivering plagiarized speeches have more fucking weight than the cold and undeniable FACTS of his history, explain that to us.

[Payndar Circusdorf]

Originally Posted by Manseed

So that sounds like a problem with the public school system. Not to start a whole other debate, but maybe we should look at fixing public schools and solve the problem at its source.

*cough* vouchers *cough*

Well that may be, but try telling that to the kids who will apply to colleges in the fall.

[Payndar Circusdorf]

Double post!

[renaissance]

Originally Posted by Khorum

What will you cunts do when the Iraqi's cite Obama's Democrat-Machine financing ties to Nadhmi Auchi, a convicted Saddam Hussein accomplice when a President Obama tries to find reconciliation in Iraq? What will you dumbfucks say to the Israelis when they refuse to take seriously a man who sat as a director of the Woods Group, an organization founded by Obama's buddy Rashid Khalidi, an espoused anti-semite and open sympathizer for fucking Hamas?

In my opinion this quote is probably the only compelling, significant and relevant argument I have seen you make against Obama, and it is certainly a good one that I hadn't considered.

It's actually a _really_ good point...

Edit: Not that I believe the links to Auchi (or Khalidi) are significant, as I have debated you on earlier in the thread. I do believe however it could easily get blown out of proportion and cause unrest between the Iraqi government and the U.S.

[Payndar Circusdorf]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Maybe you think the Economist should run a petition and have every acid-addled hippie in the blogosphere express their disapproval of Musharraf or Putin or Israel or North Korea's unfair deviation from "issues that matter" huh?

I won't let this libel sit unrebutted. The link he made was to some blogger calling himself an economist, not to my beloved The Economist.

I can't live in a world in which The Economist is mistaken for a garbage heap of lies.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by renaissance

If I were to design a hell for Khorum, this would play on a loop:

YouTube - Chicago Razzle Dazzle

Considering that your grasp of Chicago politics is probably as complete as your grasp of nonproliferation, or your comic caricature of global terrorism or just about anything you've ever deigned to drivel your second-hand opinion with, I'm SURE your version of hell would constitute a sweaty afternoon for me, kid. I was deployed in Haiti and Bosnia, I've SEEN hell. Hell is when good, decent, college-educated people rape and murder their neighbors' 6-year old daughters and throw them into lime-filled ditches because of a three-hundred year old grudge. Go read another book about "injustice", brat.

Razzle Dazzle? LMAO, I make a living off of my real-estate projects nowadays and the scumbags that musical TRIED to portray barely approximate the sort of human scum that populate the Chicago real-estate development community. Remember, REZKO and Levine were all developers in the very same community, I already live and work in that cesspool and while it can seem like hell forthe glassy, hopeless rustics like you, I assure you, it has its perks.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Considering that your grasp of Chicago politics is probably as complete as your grasp of nonproliferation, or your comic caricature of global terrorism or just about anything you've ever deigned to drivel your second-hand opinion with, I'm SURE your version of hell would constitute a sweaty afternoon for me, kid. I was deployed in Haiti and Bosnia, I've SEEN hell. Hell is when good, decent, college-educated people rape and murder their neighbors' 6-year old daughters and throw them into lime-filled ditches because of a three-hundred year old grudge. Go read another book about "injustice", brat.

Razzle Dazzle? LMAO, I make a living off of my real-estate projects nowadays and the scumbags that musical TRIED to portray barely approximate the sort of human scum that populate the Chicago real-estate development community. Remember, REZKO and Levine were all developers in the very same community, I already live and work in that cesspool and while it can seem like hell from the glassy, hopeless rustics like you, I assure you, it has its perks.

pssst. i think he was kidding.

[renaissance]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Considering that your grasp of Chicago politics is probably as complete as your grasp of nonproliferation, or your comic caricature of global terrorism or just about anything you've ever deigned to drivel your second-hand opinion with, I'm SURE your version of hell would constitute a sweaty afternoon for me, kid. I was deployed in Haiti and Bosnia, I've SEEN hell. Hell is when good, decent, college-educated people rape and murder their neighbors' 6-year old daughters and throw them into lime-filled ditches because of a three-hundred year old grudge. Go read another book about "injustice", brat.

Razzle Dazzle? LMAO, I make a living off of my real-estate projects nowadays and the scumbags that musical TRIED to portray barely approximate the sort of human scum that populate the Chicago real-estate development community. Remember, REZKO and Levine were all developers in the very same community, I already live and work in that cesspool and while it can seem like hell forthe glassy, hopeless rustics like you, I assure you, it has its perks.

Jesus fucking Christ lighten up man. How did that post bring up the fucking 6 year old in a lime pit image in your head?

joke - Definitions from Dictionary.com

[Araxen]

lol @ Khorum trying to rip on one of the greatest Mayors ever. Funny stuff.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by renaissance

In my opinion this quote is probably the only compelling, significant and relevant argument I have seen you make against Obama, and it is certainly a good one that I hadn't considered.

It's actually a _really_ good point...

Edit: Not that I believe the links to Auchi (or Khalidi) are significant, as I have debated you on earlier in the thread. I do believe however it could easily get blown out of proportion and cause unrest between the Iraqi government and the U.S.

Honestly maybe its a catalyst to something needed - a break from the deathgrip Israel has on our foreign policy. If having Obama as a president accomplishes NOTHING else but driving a wedge between us and Israel, I for one will feel happier.

im making my way thru this:
Amazon.com: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy: John J. Mearsheimer,Stephen M. Walt: Books

right now. its unbelievable. i was biased before i read it now im just pissed.

[Khorum]

Musicals are serious business.