Clinton and Obama

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

heh. Thing is, I kinda understand the penn voters.

Hes in a primary, and technically hasn't even been picked yet. Being presidential, and dropping presidential dick all over the table is what you do when you're running for president, not for a nomination.

So it should have been Democratic Flags and Gay Rights background instead? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Sunder

So it should have been Democratic Flags and Gay Rights background instead? What the fuck is wrong with you?

Ask that to the penn voters, not me.

And no, the backdrop is meaningless is my point.

[mek]

Obviously it should have been confederate flags...?

[Zerai]

So American flags..and his party colours...I don't get it. What else do people put at their conventions?

He can only use red, white or blue. One is his party colour, one is his rival's party colour. Why would he pick white?

It's flat out depressing anyone can think like those people and they vote.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Etoille

would his theory that 9/11 was an inside job be one of those positions?

I don't agree with his positions on 9/11 for the most part, but its taken out of context that his position on it is that it was a complete inside job.

His main beef was that there was lots of warnings leading up to 9/11 (we know this), yet everyone sat around with thumbs up their asses. He has repeatedly said that the internal blame of 9/11 was an inside job - in other words, again - bush administration being warned about it by the CIA and FBI and doing little to nothing to stop it (no surprise there). Thats a stark difference in saying "The US Government planned 9/11 and blew up the towers by CIA flying into them" versus "The US government covered up who was to blame internally as a result of the 9/11 occurrence".

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by mek

Obviously it should have been confederate flags...?

That would have pulled 50% of the Republican vote to his side if he did and 75% of the Hillary vote.

[Leto Eu`Acumen]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

Hes in a primary, and technically hasn't even been picked yet. Being presidential, and dropping presidential dick all over the table is what you do when you're running for president, not for a nomination.

Let's all ignore that he is a sitting United States Senator and not some chump off the street.

If an elected United States Senator wants to give a speech with United States flags as a backdrop, I don't know why we are giving him shit about it.

If we are gonna be upset about something, it is that the backdrop curtain was the wrong shade of blue. It would at least be a more substantive complaint.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

heh. Thing is, I kinda understand the penn voters.

Hes in a primary, and technically hasn't even been picked yet. Being presidential, and dropping presidential dick all over the table is what you do when you're running for president, not for a nomination.

This confuses me. Isnt part of trying to get the job showing people you can do the job? You have to act presidential to convince people youre electable. Maybe im missing something but i dont get this logic at all.

[Havelock]

Bitching about the backdrop he used is just silly. Only some dumb, inbred Republican hick would make an issue of . . . oh, wait.

Seriously, people should not complain about the backdrop, but as a general observation it strikes me as hilarious that a lot of people who, just a few months ago, swore that Republicans were functionally retarded and Democrats were all brilliant and insightful have now decided that all Hillary voters are functionally retarded but all Obama voters are still brilliant and insightful. Lrn2disagree, you silly bastards. All this demonization of opponents is bad for America, whether it occurs between or within the major parties. And for all of Obama's (unsubstantiated) talk of unity, his supporters are the most egregious when it comes to casting aspersions on heterodox opinions.

[AladainAF]

Originally Posted by Leto Eu`Acumen

Let's all ignore that he is a sitting United States Senator and not some chump off the street.

If an elected United States Senator wants to give a speech with United States flags as a backdrop, I don't know why we are giving him shit about it.

If we are gonna be upset about something, it is that the backdrop curtain was the wrong shade of blue. It would at least be a more substantive complaint.

Its not my complaint, its the penn voters that were interviewed complaint. As I said like 5 times above, I can relate as to why they feel that way (and reasons given in subsequent posts). That doesn't translate to I agree or I disagree with them. It simply means I can relate.

Its kinda like.. When liberals were up in arms about Bush a year ago or so - when he was doing a photo-op for a press conference with a bunch of troops behind him as the backdrop. I can relate as to why the liberals were upset about it. /shrug

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Rev. Wright is the Republican's path to victory. Forget about the economy, Iran, Iraq, gas prices, terriorism, debates, intelligent comparison of the Candidates. The fool Pastor is the Republican's great Black "hope". Prepare for 8 more months of chicken talk from the Fool played in an endless loop. Let's show the Iraqi people and the world how great democracy can be. "GOTCHA!"

GOP sees Rev. Wright as pathway to victory - Jonathan Martin - Politico.com

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

For months, Republican party officials have watched with increasing trepidation as Barack Obama has shattered fundraising records, packed arena after arena with shrieking fans and pulled in significant Republican and independent votes.

Now, with the emergence of the notorious video showing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright damning the country, criticizing Israel, faulting U.S. policy for the Sept. 11 attacks and generally lashing out against white America, GOP strategists believe they’ve finally found an antidote to Obamamania.

In their view, the inflammatory sermons by Obama’s pastor offer the party a pathway to victory if Obama emerges as the Democratic nominee. Not only will the video clips enable some elements of the party to define him as unpatriotic, they will also serve as a powerful motivating force for the conservative base.
In fact, the video trove has convinced some that, after months of praying for Hillary Clinton and the automatic enmity which she arouses, that they may actually have easier prey.

“For the first time, some Republicans are rethinking Hillary as their first choice,” said Alex Castellanos, a veteran media consultant who recently worked for Mitt Romney’s campaign.

Even Obama’s much-lauded Tuesday speech, which detailed his relationship with his church and focused on the issue of racial reconciliation, failed to shake the notion that Republicans had been given a rare political gift.

“It was a speech written to mau-mau the New York Times editorial board, the network production people and the media into submission. Beautifully calibrated but deeply dishonest,” said GOP media consultant Rick Wilson, who crafted the 2002 ad tying then-Sen. Max Cleland to Osama bin Laden. “Not good enough.”

Until now, questions about Obama’s allegiance to country had been largely confined to the fever swamps of the Internet and e-mail chains. They took the form of dark whispers about the greater meaning of Obama’s failure to put his hand over his heart during one national anthem, his decision not to wear an American flag lapel pin and, at their most toxic, the outright lie that he’s a Muslim or some sort of Manchurian candidate.

With Michelle Obama’s comments last month that she was, thanks to her husband’s candidacy, for the first time “really proud of [her country],” the topic entered the more mainstream elements of the conservative conversation, ricocheting across talk radio, cable news and blogs.

“All the sudden you’ve got two dots, and two dots make a line,” said Castellanos. “You start getting some sense of who he is, and it’s not the Obama you thought. He’s not the Tiger Woods of politics.”

But if Michelle Obama’s gaffe caused some ripples in the right-wing pond, the Wright videos have detonated the equivalent of a daisy cutter on the conservative landscape, awakening an otherwise dispirited party base.

“I usually get three or four emails a week on Obama,” said Michigan Republican chairman Saul Anuzis Monday. “Today I received more than 10, all of them on his minister.”

Among the e-mails Anuzis received was a link to a mash-up video splicing together Wright’s most extreme comments, Michelle Obama’s statement, footage of Obama not putting his hand over his heart during the anthem at a political event and images of Malcolm X and the two black Olympians in 1968 who raised their fists in the “black power” salute, set to Public Enemy's iconic rap song “Fight the Power.”

The video, titled “Is Obama Wright?” is described as being produced by something called “NHaleMedia,” apparently just a dummy website set up to produce anonymous and homemade videos.

In effect, the pastor has done what many on the right, quivering even with the anonymity afforded by the online era, had hesitated over until now: thrust highly delicate matters of patriotism and race into the political dialogue.
“It opens up an entire new vein,” said Republican consultant Paul Wilson.

Just as with John F. Kerry and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth in 2004, Republican strategists view the Wright flap as deeply damaging to Obama because it strikes at the message, or set of principles, at the heart of his candidacy.

In Obama’s case, the core of his appeal has been that he transcends race and is more inclined toward conciliation than combat.

“He wants the authentic black image but he also wants to keep all his safe, suburban Obamacans in line,” said Rick Wilson. “Well, you can’t have both. They’re mutually exclusive.”
“This is a guy who associates with some real haters,” he added.

Perhaps most damaging for Obama, his opponents now have the powerful video to make that case.

“It’s harder for people to say it’s taken out of context because these are Wright’s own words,” noted Chris LaCivita, the Republican strategist who helped craft the Swift Boat commercials against Kerry that employed the use of their target’s own language when he returned from Vietnam and returned his medals. “You let people draw their own conclusions.”

“You don’t have to say that he’s unpatriotic; you don’t question his patriotism,” he added. “Because I guaran-damn-tee you that, with that footage, you don’t have to say it.”

Asked if John McCain would say it or even suggest it, a spokesman for the presumptive Republican nominee indicated that he would not.

“There are profound differences on enormously important issues that will affect the future of the country,” said McCain adviser Steve Schmidt. “He’s said he intends to campaign on those issues.”

McCain’s hesitance to go anywhere near the Wright videos speaks to just how explosive they could be among voters — but also to his awareness of the potential for a backlash.

“He needs to stay away from it,” said Paul Wilson of McCain. “It’s poison.”

But thanks to the power of new media forces — talk radio, cable TV and blogs — to drive a story line, McCain’s job could easily be done for him.

“The best thing the GOP can do is stay out of it,” suggested Jim Dyke, a former RNC communications chief who was a key figure in the behind-the-scenes takedown of Kerry in ’04. “Why risk getting shot by running into the middle of a circular firing squad?”

And to interfere may obscure the attack, added Castellanos. “Leave it alone. The last thing you want is to make it a partisan Republican attack. It’s much more credible on its own.”

Yet some conservatives aren’t content to let the video played out organically, spread via “Did you see this?” e-mails — especially if it’s revealed that Obama was in fact in the church when Wright delivered some of his more incendiary remarks. The temptation to craft an ad may be overwhelming.

“Obama knows that if somebody puts him in church on some day that Wright said some crazy [stuff], like white people injected blacks with AIDS, he’s in a world of hurt,” said Rick Wilson. “I would eat this up like cake.”

Please Sen. McCain. Save us from the evil Black man. He will not even wear a flag pin.

[Draegan]

Being from New Jersey I have on full authority to tell you that almost everyone from PA is a fucking idiot.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Rev. Wright is the Republican's path to victory.

...stuff...

Please Sen. McCain. Save us from the evil Black man. He will not even wear a flag pin.

If they do that, I would imagine dems would just swing out some Falwell, Robertson, Hagee etc quotes and images.

Thats what I would do anyway.

[Phelps McManus]

Wright again? I liked the Iraq/Afghanistan/9-11 derail much better.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by AladainAF

Its not my complaint, its the penn voters that were interviewed complaint. As I said like 5 times above, I can relate as to why they feel that way (and reasons given in subsequent posts). That doesn't translate to I agree or I disagree with them. It simply means I can relate.

Its kinda like.. When liberals were up in arms about Bush a year ago or so - when he was doing a photo-op for a press conference with a bunch of troops behind him as the backdrop. I can relate as to why the liberals were upset about it. /shrug

I have no idea how you can relate to that position. It's so beyond brainless as to cause brainlessness in people near you.

Bush thing you can argue as he was using the troops as a photo-op.

It'd be like being up in arms that the republicans do the same thing!



And if anyone was up in arms about that, they should be shot too.