Clinton and Obama - Page 21

Sunder · 02-05-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Laerazi

msnbc predicting tonight's Democratic delegate count is a 4 delegate difference between Clinton and Obama (Obama leading).

That said, given Clinton has used up her "given" states (NY/California), and Obama winning pretty much everywhere in middle America, Obama's ease of raising money and increasing %s in voters of all types, Obama is going into the general election. There's no way Hillary is going to win now with Obama's "surge".

Obama vs. McCain in November!

Obama is our next President. ~

Here's the snag in your analysis: Superdelegates. Hillary still has about a 90 delegate lead there. When we wake up tomorrow, Hillary will actually be the front-runner when you add in the pledged Superdelegates.

The Clintons have an edge when it comes to brokering deals with these Superdelegates and if the voted delegates remains close, Clinton will win at the convention when the "back room" deal making is done.

Laerazi · 02-05-2008, 10:14 PM

90 superdelegates is significant, but at the rate that Obama support is increasing, I don't see these superdelegates being a factor. Hillary is going to just scrape by if it's even possible at this point.

Duppin · 02-05-2008, 10:15 PM

I don't want Hillary to win the nomination because she can't win the general election.

She might be the only option for President that red staters would hate more than a black man, and you know that the Republicans will play very dirty pool in that regard.

She'll be swift boated into oblivion.

I'm Rich Bitch · 02-05-2008, 10:26 PM

I don't think even Hillary could lose against McCain. If they team up they will be unstoppable. I am just looking at the vote counts for the Dems vs. the Republicans. That is really striking.

It is obvious that the Dems really like Hillary and Obama. I get the feeling that the Republicans are just "meh" on McCain.

Laerazi · 02-05-2008, 10:26 PM

IDK, I see McCain easily playing the experience card over Obama (and relentlessly), if Obama wins. It's not hard to convince some people that an unexperienced candidate is an uncertain future.

At this point, though, I'm confident Obama's mantra of "Change" is what people want, regardless if it's necessarily good or bad. People just want something different.

Astrocreep · 02-05-2008, 10:29 PM

I think Obama leads by like 60+ delegates and thats with all her given states. I will easily vote him over Mc Cain. I hope Obama's surge continues.

Soriak · 02-05-2008, 10:31 PM

According to CNN, Clinton leads with 30 delegates and 90 superdelegates over Obama. We'll know more as the night goes on.

Rhuobhe · 02-05-2008, 10:33 PM

As much as i would like McCain to win, i think Hillary will own him one on one

Cadrid · 02-05-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Laerazi

IDK, I see McCain easily playing the experience card over Obama (and relentlessly), if Obama wins. It's not hard to convince some people that an unexperienced candidate is an uncertain future.

At this point, though, I'm confident Obama's mantra of "Change" is what people want, regardless if it's necessarily good or bad. People just want something different.

After 8 years of neo-con Republicans it's impossible for any candidate unwilling to withdraw from Iraq to win the election. Since Ron Paul is the only true conservative left in the Republican party, I would say that Obama automatically wins if he is given the nomination.

He may be black, but when it comes to race whom would you rather have: a black man promising to bring your sons and daughters home, or a white man trying to "save their honor" or some other catchphrase?

The country wants "change" and truly needs "change" in a desperate way. Sure, most people don't understand the breadth of change that is required, but at the very least Obama is proposing to take us in a step in the right direction.

Laerazi · 02-05-2008, 10:44 PM

Given that mindset, why would Hillary lose against McCain?

Astrocreep · 02-05-2008, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Laerazi

Given that mindset, why would Hillary lose against McCain?

Because Hilarity is a fucking divisive crackhead?

Soriak · 02-05-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Because Hilarity is a fucking divisive crackhead?

If Obama is such a huge uniter and Hilary so very divisive, why do they fare about the same against McCain? RealClearPolitics - Election 2008 - National Polls

Both are within the margin of error. If you make such a huge distinction, it should be more than 2-3%...

Astrocreep · 02-05-2008, 11:06 PM

In both general elections bill didnt even win half of the majority. how well do you think Clinton 2.0 will fare?

spronk · 02-05-2008, 11:09 PM

i voted Obama but I find it hard to believe much of white America wouldn't think "huh... a white guy or black guy as president... WHITE GUY" in November. Course I feel the same about Hillary (woman) so who knows, either America is moving forward as a society or the democrats have already lost the election.

Zogby was polling Obama winning california just this morning but it seems (so far from news) that hillary is blowing him away 10%+, and I think this is the flaw with polling. People lie to questions so they seem more compassionate and worldly and basically look like nice guys (yes I support helping the poor, the kids, the cops, the teachers, blah blah blah) but in the booth alone its "fuck more taxes, no way am i voting for a nigger, and kick all these wetbacks out while you're at it" for apparently at least 15% of those polled.

Laerazi · 02-05-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Astrocreep

Because Hilarity is a fucking divisive crackhead?

Divisive crackhead? I'd love to hear why you think this; as I don't see it.

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02-05-2008, 10:14 PM	#302 (permalink)
Laerazi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,247 -2 Internets	90 superdelegates is significant, but at the rate that Obama support is increasing, I don't see these superdelegates being a factor. Hillary is going to just scrape by if it's even possible at this point.

02-05-2008, 10:15 PM	#303 (permalink)
Duppin Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,168	I don't want Hillary to win the nomination because she can't win the general election. She might be the only option for President that red staters would hate more than a black man, and you know that the Republicans will play very dirty pool in that regard. She'll be swift boated into oblivion.

02-05-2008, 10:26 PM	#304 (permalink)
I'm Rich Bitch My middle name is "Hussein". Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,757 -76 Internets	I don't think even Hillary could lose against McCain. If they team up they will be unstoppable. I am just looking at the vote counts for the Dems vs. the Republicans. That is really striking. It is obvious that the Dems really like Hillary and Obama. I get the feeling that the Republicans are just "meh" on McCain.

02-05-2008, 10:26 PM	#305 (permalink)
Laerazi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,247 -2 Internets	IDK, I see McCain easily playing the experience card over Obama (and relentlessly), if Obama wins. It's not hard to convince some people that an unexperienced candidate is an uncertain future. At this point, though, I'm confident Obama's mantra of "Change" is what people want, regardless if it's necessarily good or bad. People just want something different.

02-05-2008, 10:29 PM	#306 (permalink)
Astrocreep The Undead Shaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,881	I think Obama leads by like 60+ delegates and thats with all her given states. I will easily vote him over Mc Cain. I hope Obama's surge continues.

02-05-2008, 10:31 PM	#307 (permalink)
Soriak Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 4,403 +18 Internets	According to CNN, Clinton leads with 30 delegates and 90 superdelegates over Obama. We'll know more as the night goes on.

02-05-2008, 10:33 PM	#308 (permalink)
Rhuobhe all hail Rhuobhe Manslayer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 273	As much as i would like McCain to win, i think Hillary will own him one on one

02-05-2008, 10:44 PM	#310 (permalink)
Laerazi Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 1,247 -2 Internets	Given that mindset, why would Hillary lose against McCain?

02-05-2008, 11:06 PM	#313 (permalink)
Astrocreep The Undead Shaman Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 2,881	In both general elections bill didnt even win half of the majority. how well do you think Clinton 2.0 will fare?

02-05-2008, 11:09 PM	#314 (permalink)
spronk nerd Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,376	i voted Obama but I find it hard to believe much of white America wouldn't think "huh... a white guy or black guy as president... WHITE GUY" in November. Course I feel the same about Hillary (woman) so who knows, either America is moving forward as a society or the democrats have already lost the election. Zogby was polling Obama winning california just this morning but it seems (so far from news) that hillary is blowing him away 10%+, and I think this is the flaw with polling. People lie to questions so they seem more compassionate and worldly and basically look like nice guys (yes I support helping the poor, the kids, the cops, the teachers, blah blah blah) but in the booth alone its "fuck more taxes, no way am i voting for a nigger, and kick all these wetbacks out while you're at it" for apparently at least 15% of those polled.