Clinton and Obama

[The Hiram Key]

Conservatives really are insane.

[Kolle]

maybe i have it wrong, but in my mind conservatives don't care if a certain number of people have shitty lives so long as they don't. anyone who does have a shitty life...well that's their fault.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Conservatives really are insane.

No. Those on the extreme right are insane just as those on the extreme left are insane. The world is not so simple. Conservatives have some very good ideas. You may be basing your opinion on extremes like Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Michael Savage. Keep in mind that those talk radio guys are trying to get people to listen so they will say extreme things.

Ronald Reagan or George Will are better examples of a real Conservative.

[Arbitrary]

Small government, low taxes, privacy protection? Sign me up.

[Brand]

In simplest terms...Conservatives want to preserve that which is good...And Liberals want to change that which is wrong. The two purposes often conflict, which is the heart of the national debate to me.

At present, I think we have more things to change than things to preserve(in a political/policy sense). Don't get me wrong, I don't want rampant change and a dissolution of "American" values...But we definitely need to shake things up and make some changes.

[Ronne]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Small government, low taxes, privacy protection? Sign me up.

If only this had anything to do at all with what conservatives are today.

[Astrocreep]

Originally Posted by Kolle

maybe i have it wrong, but in my mind conservatives don't care if a certain number of people have shitty lives so long as they don't. anyone who does have a shitty life...well that's their fault.

speaking as a conservative, i do care about the people who have shitty lives despite their best efforts to change their situation. what i dont care about are people with shitty lives who only blame others for their problems without even attempting to fix them.

[Etoille]

Originally Posted by Astrocreep

i do care about the people who have shitty lives despite their best efforts to change their situation. what i dont care about are people with shitty lives who only blame others for their problems without even attempting to fix them.

i still dont think of myself as a "conservative", only a fiscal conservative...but i agree with this 100%.

id love to see a party run on a platform of personal responsibility.

i have no issue helping people out who have tried to make their situation right. but someone who creates their own situation and looks to be bailed out of it by john q taxpayer....sorry dude you made your bed now lie in it for a little while.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

That filthy Obama, he seems to want to govern, be a bit moral and get his message to the people rather than jerk around with mercurial reporters and play ass-kiss or dirty politics.

Disgusting!

[Bo Jackson]

I don't see how anyone can think hillary is the lesser of two evils compared to obama. I'm surpised they are even close. She and her husband are just taking shots and playing dirty, whatever it takes to get back into power. Are people not sick of bush's and clinton's by now, i mean jesus. I'm supporting Ron Paul personally, but I am hoping obama comes out on top of hillary and i would rather vote for him compared to any of the other republicans.

[Horse]

The insanity is CATEGORIZING YOURSELF SO BROADLY.

How any person could summarize all of their beliefs in a single term is ridiculous, and that entire system of policy-drafting needs destroying.

We need people to state WHY they think what they do without using the copout of stating WHAT they are: religious, political or any other sort of groupthink is sickening.

[Horse]

Originally Posted by Bo Jackson

I don't see how anyone can think hillary is the lesser of two evils compared to obama. I'm surpised they are even close. She and her husband are just taking shots and playing dirty, whatever it takes to get back into power. Are people not sick of bush's and clinton's by now, i mean jesus. I'm supporting Ron Paul personally, but I am hoping obama comes out on top of hillary and i would rather vote for him compared to any of the other republicans.

Clintons are basically republicans if you look at their policymaking and drafting. The media imagery of Clinton as a loose-goose is simply coverup to the fact that he never strayed too far away from the republican creed. The shitty tactics and "bad campaign" is simply to ensure Obama wins so that the republicans have any chance in hell.


The joke here is that anyone really sees any remarkable differences between any of these elite politicians.

Sure, lets point out that hillary is a woman and obama is black. Let's ignore that they're both part of the culturally elite, upper class. Let's pretend that anyone can possibly dismantle the war machine. Tinfoil hat time, but people have been "suicided" for less than what Obama is claiming to be doing.

If you think this campaign is getting rough, wait 'til the republicans get their turn.

[Zhaun's_Shade]

Originally Posted by Horse

Sure, lets point out that hillary is a woman and obama is black. Let's ignore that they're both part of the culturally elite, upper class.

Ummmm, poor people can't afford to run for President. Also, not every candidate was born that way.

[FulorianC]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Small government, low taxes, privacy protection? Sign me up.

I would direct you towards this thread if you have any interest in the aforementioned obsolete ideas!

[Soriak]

Clinton wins in Florida. What I find amazing is that so far there are almost as many Democrats voting as Republicans, and you have to expect a lot of Democrats not showing up since they don't get any delegates.

Considering it'll be a battle state in the general election, Obama is getting beaten pretty hard.

Obama 70% of the black vote, 20% of the white vote. Clinton 60% latinos, Obama 30%.
Yeah, this race does seem to be a lot about race - if he can't get more whites on board, he's doomed.