ID Chips?!

[LexarkT11]

YouTube - Zeitgeist Movie - RFID Chip


is this shit fer realz?

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Yes, lots of Walmart items have them already... our new RealID's coming in 09 have them... etc.

DIFRWEAR

[Dis]

Edit - Nice link, market economy at its finest. I cant wait for the RIFD clothing line to come next. Hope they have my size /sarcasm

[Screamfeeder]

The future is now.

[Kindnugs]

I have worked for 3 companies doing RFID using 13.56 and UHF.. This conspiracy bullshit has been around for a long time.

Don't believe any of this "The Government is going to track you shit", they allready can do that via credit cards, ssn, etc... Hell they can track your cell phone and pin point where you are.

The chips in this movie are using 13.56Mhz. The read range on these tags is less than a foot for the most part. Scared of a foot? Then wrap the fucking thing in metal. UHF Gen 2 tags can be read reliably around 20 feet but can be interrupted by metal or water pretty easily.

Those wallets are fucking hilarious, but would work I guess.... Just don't believe the hype in this movie. They would need to implant tags with some sort of GPS tracking device to track your every movement. The size of that chip would need be pretty damn big, and very fucking expensive.

[Kaosu]

The implementations won't be abrasive or will be stealth. Everyday living will 'feel' the same, however the implications are radically different when you move the spotlight on it. This is just more business as usual; theres not a whole lot you can do about it and sooner or later, this will just be another way of life sort of thing. I grew up with a console; I couldn't imagine living without one (and a computer) for the rest of my life --its just as easily apart of my life as anything else.

Older, other people are much more apprehensive against the idea. Not all, mind you, but a lot. The good old days they speak of, foreign alien words of walking in the 4th dimension, both ways up hills while doing handstands in 30 foot deep snow. You know, that sort of thing.

I've only ran the scenario in my head, simulating the cause and effects of something like this a dozen times over. In the end, nothing will really change. It'll slowly be accepted, as most people don't even realize that a lot of retail goods and other products, along with ID cards have RFID in them already.

[Kaosu]

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

I have worked for 3 companies doing RFID using 13.56 and UHF.. This conspiracy bullshit has been around for a long time.

Don't believe any of this "The Government is going to track you shit", they allready can do that via credit cards, ssn, etc... Hell they can track your cell phone and pin point where you are.

The chips in this movie are using 13.56Mhz. The read range on these tags is less than a foot for the most part. Scared of a foot? Then wrap the fucking thing in metal. UHF Gen 2 tags can be read reliably around 20 feet but can be interrupted by metal or water pretty easily.

Those wallets are fucking hilarious, but would work I guess.... Just don't believe the hype in this movie. They would need to implant tags with some sort of GPS tracking device to track your every movement. The size of that chip would need be pretty damn big, and very fucking expensive.

Its not as big as you'd think it would be. Its a tiny capsule that they insert underneath the skin. A family has already put one in their child, as it'll track him whereever he goes. It also has embedded information like his name, blood type, etc.

Of course, this is a extreme case. Not a lot of people would go out of their way to tag themselves and their children willingly. I don't recall the device itself; but its a active device that can be tracked by satellite. I'll go look it up in a second.

[Kindnugs]

Originally Posted by Kaosu

Its not as big as you'd think it would be. Its a tiny capsule that they insert underneath the skin. A family has already put one in their child, as it'll track him whereever he goes. It also has embedded information like his name, blood type, etc.

Of course, this is a extreme case. Not a lot of people would go out of their way to tag themselves and their children willingly.

I find that impossible that they can track him wherever he goes. There is no fucking way that a chip that small can output a gps signal and have a power source for it.

RFID works in that those smalls tags are passive, as in there is no power attached to the tag(the antenna or ic). The tags that pass by a reader get energized by the reader and send back its ID, data etc. A small chip that is being inserted into a human would have to have to be passive. Thus this ultimately limits the read range of a tag. The government would have to install readers in every nook and crany of the universe in order to track you.

Active tags which have a power source can and do have gps capability. The size of these tags are pretty big. They are used a lot on the shipping containers at our docks.

[Cadrid]

The only thing that concerns me about the RFID chips is the ease with which someone could covertly steal my information. From what I've heard, these things are completely unsecured, and all the data on them could be swiped by someone with a hand-held device standing behind you in line.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

They would need to implant tags with some sort of GPS tracking device to track your every movement. The size of that chip would need be pretty damn big, and very fucking expensive.

Whew! Glad to know that GPS tracking ID chips would need to be huge!

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

Hell they can track your cell phone and pin point where you are.

Wait...but you just...

I like how you just gloss over the thousands of concerns people have with RFID by calling it all "conspiracy bullshit".

Since you have worked with 3 different compaines "doing RFID using 13.56 and UHF" I assume you are aware they are suceptable to any number of problems.


Any sort of man-in-the-middle security breach would allow anyone to leech any information being passed between two tags.

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

There is no fucking way that a chip that small can output a gps signal and have a power source for it.

Link.

They are securless, tracking systems. I don't give a damn if the range is .0002mm, they are still dangerous.

[Kaosu]

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

Active tags which have a power source can and do have gps capability. The size of these tags are pretty big. They are used a lot on the shipping containers at our docks.

Actually yeah, I was reading a article that was looming on the future of what Verisign was doing. They are working on a RFID chip for human implant, for long distance and possibly global tracking. I assume its a semi-active implementation, but since the announcement three years ago and the FDA go ahead, I guess I've heard virtually nothing about it.

However, there is a company that is working with low-profile GPS tracking devices for everyday consumer use. Watches, cellphones, and whatever else you may think of.

Wherify Wireless

While I haven't seen any active demonstrations on GPS tracking for implants, I must say I'm sure its getting there.

The main problem isn't the size of tracking devices; its the additional of antenna and power supply (that we know of)

[Kindnugs]

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

Whew! Glad to know that GPS tracking ID chips would need to be huge!

Go fuck yourself, you missed my point.

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

Wait...but you just...

Yeah I did, lets see you take the gps components of your cell phone and cram them up your ass.

Originally Posted by Screamfeeder

I like how you just gloss over the thousands of concerns people have with RFID by calling it all "conspiracy bullshit".

They are securless, tracking systems. I don't give a damn if the range is .0002mm, they are still dangerous.

I think that you need to go join the psychotic bitch over at CASPIAN - Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.

[Screamfeeder]

Thank you for addressing all my points! I feel much safer about this new technology!

So what "point" did I miss?

That you're wrong about things getting smaller and smaller?

Are they really super secure and those silly nerds at HOPE only faked the cloning of an RFID signal?

Are people just making shit up about RFID chips carrying buffer-overflow viruses?

I mean if the entire Electronic Product Code network can be shutdown via simple DoS attack, what makes these chips (some of which have EPC data in them) so much better?

I look forward to you not answering my obviously conspiracy-like crazy talk with non-answers. You are clearly a shill for "The Man" trying to keep me and my brothers down.

[Lowk]

This thread is a breeding ground of awesome in the topic of retard debate. Just waiting for a few of the star guests of our community to show up.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Lowk

This thread is a breeding ground of awesome in the topic of retard debate. Just waiting for a few of the star guests of our community to show up.

Are you here to give the keynote address then?