ID Chips?!

[brekk]

there are websites that have information on the location of RFID chips in new passports, and how to smash it. Doing such does not invalidate the passport, its just a nice F U to big brother.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by brekk

there are websites that have information on the location of RFID chips in new passports, and how to smash it. Doing such does not invalidate the passport, its just a nice F U to big brother.

link?

[brekk]

dunno off hand, i had a professor last semester in a class called "Computer's Impact on Society" who talked about RFID chips. Very nice guy, but definately felt the use of such chips was heavily encroaching on our personal rights.

[jayrebb]

Originally Posted by brekk

heavily encroaching on our personal rights.

Thats even an understatement.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by jayrebb

Thats even an understatement.

How would modern RFID systems restrain your personal liberties or mine? Let's use the most ubiquitous example for now, Alien class1 G2 passive tags under Walmart and Target stores' models. How would they restrict your personal liberties exactly? Or can you give me an example of how would active tags like the FasTrak and IPass highway transponders limit your personal liberties then when you can turn it off at any time?

From how you guys describe the Al'CIAda and the terrifying competence of America's security apparatus, it really doesn't sound like they'd need to employ RFID at all---and you'd be right---but somehow you're painting a picture of Walmart building towards a Big Brother scenario and you need to help me understand how.

[Algol Devilstar]

Originally Posted by Kaosu

Until you are caught by everyone you know coming out of that sex shop with a black mask , a black dildo, some astroglide, rope, and some wine.

You pervert.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "Ive got nothing to hide." So what if they see me walking outta walmart with a strap-on dildo and 3 midgets? I really couldn't care less.

[Kindnugs]

Originally Posted by Khorum

How would modern RFID systems restrain your personal liberties or mine? Let's use the most ubiquitous example for now, Alien class1 G2 passive tags under Walmart and Target stores' models. How would they restrict your personal liberties exactly? Or can you give me an example of how would active tags like the FasTrak and IPass highway transponders limit your personal liberties then when you can turn it off at any time?

From how you guys describe the Al'CIAda and the terrifying competence of America's security apparatus, it really doesn't sound like they'd need to employ RFID at all---and you'd be right---but somehow you're painting a picture of Walmart building towards a Big Brother scenario and you need to help me understand how.

I am Alien certified and Matrics certified, and I could not explain the concepts to these paranoid freaks.... just give it up =) They are looking at the future and think that gps units will be embedded in our skin.

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

I have been out of that industry for several years now so I am sure things have changed.

Your constant paranoia attempts about rfid are valid.

I do not have any godly answers to any of your questions.

...it does look like gps units are getting very very small and I will admit that does raise my eyebrows.

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

I am Alien certified and Matrics certified, and I could not explain the concepts to these paranoid freaks.... just give it up =) They are looking at the future and think that gps units will be embedded in our skin.

I am not sure which Kindnugs to reply too....

Khorum, every point about RFID chips right now in the present are 100% correct. They help commerce and travel and I am A-OK with that.

It's when I am forced to get an RFID-enhanced RealID from my state that HAS to comply with a slew of federal laws that I have an issue.

Even then, it's not that I think Big Brother is going to be tracking me real-time via space(which won't be happening anytime soon) that concerns me.

It's the fact that it is so incredibly easy to steal all of the information off them or embed a batch virus inside them that I have a real issue with.

[Kindnugs]

How did I know you'd be up my ass the second after I replied. I've been avoiding this thread till someone with a clue popped their head in.

And just to quote the article you linked, due to your mad google skills on the topic of rfid:

"The world of RFID is like the Internet in its early stages"

It will get better.

edit: and if you even bothered to read that article it said that passports have encryption and most likely these Real IDS will too. SO THERE! WIN! Thread OVER!

[Screamfeeder]

Originally Posted by Kindnugs

edit: and if you even bothered to read that article it said that passports have encryption and most likely these Real IDS will too. SO THERE! WIN! Thread OVER!

The type of encryption being used is BAC(Basic Access Control). I assume you already know this since you are Mr. RFID.

I assume you also know that BAC encryption on the standard model being used in the United States has already been cracked.

[Kolle]

I'm not sure why some of you are concentrating so much on the tracking aspect. I can see a point where such a chip would be necessary to function in a society. There wouldn't be any such thing as cash. If you want to be allowed to do anything...doctor visit, public transit, buy food, etc...then it would not be possible without the chip.

That's just the public part of it. Technology will get better. There may come a point when a tiny chip can not only record things, but pass them along the next time you use it or even when you don't use it. It could monitor your body. The government could know how many times you have sex, if you aren't eating healthy, etc...there are plenty of possibilities. The step after that is thought and emotion control. I know it seems silly now, but picture yourself in the future. We will have technology that doesn't currently exist. Imagine the government knowing when you have sexual thoughts about someone who isn't your wife. Imagine there being a law that forbids such a thing. Imagine all of a sudden not being able to travel, see doctors, buy things, or whatever else because they detected your "impure thought". After all, they want to protect the sanctity of marriage.

Maybe that's crazy, but apply to other examples. What if your boss pisses you off and you fantasize about choking him? Gratz on being arrested for a thought crime. etc...

If you keep shrugging off privacy and individual rights you eventually won't have any left. In a perfect world none of these things would matter. But the world isn't perfect. Someone will abuse it. That will end up being parts of the government and criminals. Not that those two things are necessarily different.


That's not what's fucked up, though. If these kind of things happen people will get used to them. Go far enough into the future and people will perfectly accept the governments ability to control emotion, thoughts, and whatever else they damn well feel like. They'll not only accept it, but support it. This is the future though. You don't have to give a care unless you have kids. The future comes fast sometimes tho.