Chimps tuk r jabs!

Dinthug · 12-04-2007, 05:11 AM

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Saw this on the news today, pretty crazy. Check the video on the right side. The version on the news had one where the squares weren't whited out at all and the chimp was still doing it extremely fast. Watching the video it looks like the chimp might have screwed up on a few of them, but the video says they did better than college students when showed the numbers for 2/10ths of a second then whited out. Maybe chimps really are smarter than a lot of people make them out to be.

edit: meant to post in general

Ripe · 12-04-2007, 05:40 AM

I don't like intelligent monkeys, they are just like stupid ugly hairy people.

Lusiphur · 12-04-2007, 05:46 AM

I predict the wrath of Millie ...

Oh and on topic, I already think I work with chimps all day. This just makes it official or something ...

SalaciousTunare · 12-04-2007, 05:57 AM

In that same article the chimps mother did poorer than the college students. This one of those cases were the study has TWO variables.

It is like these retards forgot remedial science. Two experiments, one control, one case, and the case has only 1 variable different.

They used chimps versus humans, but used old humans against young chimps.

Bad science is bad, all the scientists should be fired for being idiots.

Szlia · 12-04-2007, 06:06 AM

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That indicates Ayumu was better at taking in the whole pattern of numbers at a glance, the researchers wrote.

It would seem to me that another big difference is that for the chimp the numbers are just a serie of abstract glyphs they are trained to put in an order while for humans they are iconic elements that are we trained to decifer and link to heavy bags of significance, so the process is a lot lighter for the chimp than the human.

If I were them, I would do the same test using the colors of a rainbow instead of numbers and see how it goes (assuming the chimps see colors like humans do).

Dinthug · 12-04-2007, 06:07 AM

what's even more amazing, pause the video and look what numbers they use... guess the chimp didn't screw up...

tad10 · 12-04-2007, 11:29 AM

I'm all for uplift. Go chimps and dolphins.

Millie · 12-04-2007, 11:48 AM

It's a scientific fact that dolphins are better than humans, and I, for one, welcome our new dolphin overlords.

chaos · 12-04-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tad10

I'm all for uplift. Go chimps and dolphins.

The dolphins are still coming for you, not even Vanguard can save you!

Eomer · 12-04-2007, 12:49 PM

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Maybe chimps really are smarter than a lot of people make them out to be.

It doesn't necessarily mean that they're "smarter", which is a very difficult term to define anyway. It just means that their brains apparently are very good at taking a quick snapshot of an image and remembering what it contained.

Rain Man example inc...

Khorum · 12-04-2007, 07:33 PM

Well since most people "make them out to be" little more than cuddly fish that make our tuna taste gamier, he's probably right.

GrobbeeTrull2.0 · 12-04-2007, 09:32 PM

I always thought that memory and cognitive processes were seperate orders of brain function - one lower, and one higher? Wouldn't it make sense for animals to have a more developed memory than cognitive function? And likewise, for humans to have more developed cognition than memory?

TOOL · 12-04-2007, 09:49 PM

I don't think it's likely that their memories are more developed, I think it's more likely that their memories aren't as heavily influenced by cognitive processes as humans are.

They react to their memories quickly, and we call it instinct.

We're able to philosophize about our memories, and we call it intelligence.

Occasionally cognitive processes may slow us down, but overall I think they're a benefit to our species.

Grooverider · 12-05-2007, 04:37 AM

stop trying to rationalize the fact that you're dumber than an ape.

tjac · 12-05-2007, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TOOL

I don't think it's likely that their memories are more developed, I think it's more likely that their memories aren't as heavily influenced by cognitive processes as humans are.

Humans have more bloatware impacting our performance, even though our processors are better~

There was a story a while back about cats who do/don't chase images on TV screens. The hypothesis was that non-tv-watching cats process information so fast that they actually see the individual lines of the transmission and not an interesting image. It was then suggested that non-tv-watching cats are smarter because they process visual information faster.

I don't really agree with 'smarter' conclusions, in cats v. cats or chimps v. humans. Intelligence can always be compared to how it is used. The slow-visual cat is capable of discerning details that might be helpful in dealing with its environment. The fast-visual cat is can react to a different set of visual stimuli that might be equally helpful in dealing with its environment.

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Dinthug Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 761	Chimps tuk r jabs! Wired News - AP News Saw this on the news today, pretty crazy. Check the video on the right side. The version on the news had one where the squares weren't whited out at all and the chimp was still doing it extremely fast. Watching the video it looks like the chimp might have screwed up on a few of them, but the video says they did better than college students when showed the numbers for 2/10ths of a second then whited out. Maybe chimps really are smarter than a lot of people make them out to be. edit: meant to post in general Last edited by Dinthug; 12-04-2007 at 05:24 AM..

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12-04-2007, 05:40 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ripe Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 121 +5 Internets	I don't like intelligent monkeys, they are just like stupid ugly hairy people.

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Lusiphur Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bonny Scotland Posts: 604 -4 Internets	I predict the wrath of Millie ... Oh and on topic, I already think I work with chimps all day. This just makes it official or something ...

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SalaciousTunare Idiot Prodigy Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,143 -13 Internets	In that same article the chimps mother did poorer than the college students. This one of those cases were the study has TWO variables. It is like these retards forgot remedial science. Two experiments, one control, one case, and the case has only 1 variable different. They used chimps versus humans, but used old humans against young chimps. Bad science is bad, all the scientists should be fired for being idiots.

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Dinthug Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 761	what's even more amazing, pause the video and look what numbers they use... guess the chimp didn't screw up...

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Millie A Relic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 5,873	It's a scientific fact that dolphins are better than humans, and I, for one, welcome our new dolphin overlords.

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Khorum Registered User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,594 -36 Internets	Well since most people "make them out to be" little more than cuddly fish that make our tuna taste gamier, he's probably right.

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GrobbeeTrull2.0 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 4,174	I always thought that memory and cognitive processes were seperate orders of brain function - one lower, and one higher? Wouldn't it make sense for animals to have a more developed memory than cognitive function? And likewise, for humans to have more developed cognition than memory?

12-04-2007, 09:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
TOOL Yes. Oui. Si. Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Anonymity is a virtue. Posts: 554 -6 Internets	I don't think it's likely that their memories are more developed, I think it's more likely that their memories aren't as heavily influenced by cognitive processes as humans are. They react to their memories quickly, and we call it instinct. We're able to philosophize about our memories, and we call it intelligence. Occasionally cognitive processes may slow us down, but overall I think they're a benefit to our species.

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Grooverider 1234567890 Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Svenborgia Posts: 1,299	stop trying to rationalize the fact that you're dumber than an ape.