Jena 6

Kreugen · 09-20-2007, 08:52 AM

What, no Jena 6 thread? I started following this mess because of black coworkers talk, who are now wearing all black in protest of the general asshattery surrounding the events (but most explicity not saying that the 6 douchbags should get away without punishment, as some people seem to think. There's only one of those, and I've written him off as a dumbass that jerks off to Sharpton long ago.)

Now, I have no sympathy for six people beating up on another person even if race wasn't a factor. Thats straight up fucking cowardice. If you are taking part in a gang beating, the victim had better be Charlie Fucking Manson himself. But charging them with attempted murder - and arguing that a tennis shoe is a deadly weapon - is retarded enough to warrant the attention whoring of Jessie/Sharpton/The boy who cried racism, so I won't begrudge them that. I think the case does deserve the attention its gotten, but only because of the hilariously awful failure to act before now ("they're just kids" in an age when kids have done so many unspeakably horrible acts) and the ridiculous murder charges.

Two are still charged with attempted murder but I'm sure that will be overruled soon enough.

So what punishment fits the crime? I think it should still be pretty severe, plus I think they'll get the Hate Crime bonus on top of that. Fuck anyone who participates in a gang beating. And then anyone at that school who even looks crosseyed should be threatened with expulsion on the spot. End the problem locally before we wind up with yet another goddamn discriminative law on the books.

Ashes Emberblade · 09-20-2007, 08:56 AM

The attempted murder charges should stick. They continued beating him after he was unconscious. Under Louisiana law that's attempted murder.

Twobit Whore · 09-20-2007, 08:58 AM

The MSN headline was 'Jena 6 protesters flood town' and I immediately thought they had torn down a dam or turned on some water hoses.. turns out it's just a bunch of people there.

WTF are they protesting? How can anyone support the 'free the Jena 6' stance? They beat someone nearly to death. They deserve punishment to the fullest extent of the law. End of story,

pivot · 09-20-2007, 08:59 AM

As long as Jesse Jackson is involved, it will probably be a case about racism. The hypocrisy involved in these black/white situations makes me sick to the stomach.

Sharmai · 09-20-2007, 08:59 AM

There is also the issue of the white kid coming out the of store with a shotgun and pointing it at the black kids and saying "your next".

FYI that kid got a bond of $5,000.... the six black kids each got a bond of $125,000.

Oh and the jury was all white.... I'm sure it is possible for an all white jury to be fair but on a issue that has high racial tensions as it is? oh.. boy..

Oh and it all started with hanging nooses on a tree. I don't know about all of you or how you all understand what the hanging noose means to the black community but its defintely no kind of joke at all. I wave off a lot of crap and most of its just bad humor but hanging noose are steping on gruonds I would fight on to. It is just bad period. Ya six on one is not fair but honestly he got off easy had that happened in say an inner city school where it would have been 200 on 1 with parents on them to.

Unfair yes but everything about this case is unfair.

For the record I think the 6 boys should get a week or so school supension like any normal school. crimnial charges? heck no...

Kreugen · 09-20-2007, 09:01 AM

It would be ironic if this was the case that gets the Hate Crime designation repealed.

Twobit Whore · 09-20-2007, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharmai

For the record I think the 6 boys should get a week or so school supension like any normal school. crimnial charges? heck no...

Do us all a favor and end yourself, or at least stop fucking posting.

Sharmai · 09-20-2007, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Do us all a favor and end yourself, or at least stop fucking posting.

fuck you go to downtown chicago and put up a hanging noose then if your still fucking alive come back and tell me that shit again.

It was a fucking beatdown that happens in inner city schools across the country all the damn time. We grew up this way and its life. Everyone gets their ass beat at some point and pretty damn bad and you get up and keep going... It teaches you how to shut the fuck up and stop being an arrogant kid and other neccessary life shit. Mabye your plush suburbia school never had this kind of shit go down and thats all nice and well but if your going to put up a fucking noose what the fuck do you think is going to happen? A fucking apology? A slap on the wrist? Do you think we are going to give one fucking damn about a cop writing you a ticket?

That kind of shit has DEEP FUCKING ROOTS dumbshit it does NOT go unnoticed.

Kreugen · 09-20-2007, 09:05 AM

Um, beating someone unconcious and hospitalizing them goes a bit beyond the week suspension shoving matches that I recall from my high school

Two guys puffing out their chests and pushing each other while shouting "YEAH COME ON, WUS UP NOW, YEAH" = suspension.

Gang beating resulting in concussion = expulsion, criminal charges, jail/probation.

Protest = the poor handling of all the events leading up to it. Now, if they think this absolves the 6 of the crime, then they are fucking retards. I'll have to read up on their position, I'm unclear on that. I mean, I was assuming it wasn't something that stupid just because thats how it was explained to me by this chick, but I should know about such dangerous assumptions by now.

PS: The noose thing happened a year prior, the person beaten was not directly responsible, and nobody even mentioned the noose when discussing the specific incident of the beating

Braen · 09-20-2007, 09:08 AM

So because someone did something completely reprehensible (the noose thing), he deserves, in your opinon, not only to get beaten almost to death, but the beaters are to have NO CRIMINAL CHARGES brought against them whatsoever? Are you KIDDING ME?!

That the ones that beat him almost to death just need to be kicked out of school?! People like you are the reason that these things happen, cause the people that do it know they can get whiney bitches to defend them and get them from accepting the responsibility of their actions.

It doesn't matter if you think because the white guy was a douche and is a racist he "deserves" to be almost killed. We live ina society of laws and getting beaten almost to death is still against the law. I don't remember "Unless he deserves it for being a tool and/or douche" being in the penal codes

Twobit Whore · 09-20-2007, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kreugen

I'll have to read up on their position, I'm unclear on that. I mean, I was assuming it wasn't something that stupid just because thats how it was explained to me by this chick, but I should know about such dangerous assumptions by now.

I don't think any of the major figures want them to really go free. MLK III said some form of punishment may be warranted.. which it is. They just want it to be fair and not extreme due to them being black. Fair enough, but if they want to claim that hate crimes can be commited against them then I see no reason why it doesn't swing the other way. Of course they would need to prove that the sole or primary motive in the attack was just because he was white.

Sharmai · 09-20-2007, 09:12 AM

Supension at best. If it were all unprovoked and it was a straight gang beat up over some BS sure I would say criminal charges.

But nooses. White kid pointing shotgun at black kids. School superintedent doing nothing about it...

Thats nothing at all the be said about the atmosphere of the kids in the school at the time or what if anything else happened. (If any of you had been in a racial situation before you know theres always more shit on both sides of the equation)

But man this kid, this school, this whole enviroment was pushing on racial edge lines that have and will taken centuries to heal. These things are sensitive. there are unwritten rules about this kind of shit. It's just known that your going to invoke a kind of inner rage in black people when you do this.

Inciting violence gets violence. The kid lived through it though.

pivot · 09-20-2007, 09:15 AM

This white kid deserved to get beaten if he actually hung the nooses. I'm surprised he wasn't killed to be honest. This reminds me of the ' "I hate niggers" sign in Harlem' scene from Die Hard with Avengence - like, who does that? Do you not expect to be killed? Louisiana doesn't strike me as an overly caucasian region. Plain stupidity. He should be called for inciting a riot or something to that nature. The six beaters deserve jailtime.

Braen · 09-20-2007, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharmai

Supension at best. If it were all unprovoked and it was a straight gang beat up over some BS sure I would say criminal charges.

But nooses. White kid pointing shotgun at black kids. School superintedent doing nothing about it...

Thats nothing at all the be said about the atmosphere of the kids in the school at the time or what if anything else happened. (If any of you had been in a racial situation before you know theres always more shit on both sides of the equation)

But man this kid, this school, this whole enviroment was pushing on racial edge lines that have and will taken centuries to heal. These things are sensitive. there are unwritten rules about this kind of shit. It's just known that your going to invoke a kind of inner rage in black people when you do this.

Inciting violence gets violence. The kid lived through it though.

Seriously I can't believe this... What if the kid didn't do those things? What if it was the wrong guy? Do you want criminal charges now?

You basically turning a blind eye to the fact that beating someone almost to death because he might have done something it ludicrous. What if the roles were reversed and 6 white kids beat a black kid up for doing something racist to them... Would you want JUST school suspensions?

Racist behavior is horrible. Violently responding to it is just as wrong. You are responsible for your action.

Goltana_R-Zek · 09-20-2007, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sharmai

Supension at best. If it were all unprovoked and it was a straight gang beat up over some BS sure I would say criminal charges.

But nooses. White kid pointing shotgun at black kids. School superintedent doing nothing about it...

Thats nothing at all the be said about the atmosphere of the kids in the school at the time or what if anything else happened. (If any of you had been in a racial situation before you know theres always more shit on both sides of the equation)

But man this kid, this school, this whole enviroment was pushing on racial edge lines that have and will taken centuries to heal. These things are sensitive. there are unwritten rules about this kind of shit. It's just known that your going to invoke a kind of inner rage in black people when you do this.

Inciting violence gets violence. The kid lived through it though.

Do you even READ other's posts? The 'NOOSE' incident was 4 months ago, and not directly related to the victim. So, shut the fuck up about it. Oh yeah cool, he lived so fuck criminal charges.. there's a lot of racial tension in the town! Just expel/suspend them and move on amirite?

09-20-2007, 08:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,746 +44 Internets	Jena 6 What, no Jena 6 thread? I started following this mess because of black coworkers talk, who are now wearing all black in protest of the general asshattery surrounding the events (but most explicity not saying that the 6 douchbags should get away without punishment, as some people seem to think. There's only one of those, and I've written him off as a dumbass that jerks off to Sharpton long ago.) Now, I have no sympathy for six people beating up on another person even if race wasn't a factor. Thats straight up fucking cowardice. If you are taking part in a gang beating, the victim had better be Charlie Fucking Manson himself. But charging them with attempted murder - and arguing that a tennis shoe is a deadly weapon - is retarded enough to warrant the attention whoring of Jessie/Sharpton/The boy who cried racism, so I won't begrudge them that. I think the case does deserve the attention its gotten, but only because of the hilariously awful failure to act before now ("they're just kids" in an age when kids have done so many unspeakably horrible acts) and the ridiculous murder charges. Two are still charged with attempted murder but I'm sure that will be overruled soon enough. So what punishment fits the crime? I think it should still be pretty severe, plus I think they'll get the Hate Crime bonus on top of that. Fuck anyone who participates in a gang beating. And then anyone at that school who even looks crosseyed should be threatened with expulsion on the spot. End the problem locally before we wind up with yet another goddamn discriminative law on the books.

09-20-2007, 09:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,746 +44 Internets	Um, beating someone unconcious and hospitalizing them goes a bit beyond the week suspension shoving matches that I recall from my high school Two guys puffing out their chests and pushing each other while shouting "YEAH COME ON, WUS UP NOW, YEAH" = suspension. Gang beating resulting in concussion = expulsion, criminal charges, jail/probation. Protest = the poor handling of all the events leading up to it. Now, if they think this absolves the 6 of the crime, then they are fucking retards. I'll have to read up on their position, I'm unclear on that. I mean, I was assuming it wasn't something that stupid just because thats how it was explained to me by this chick, but I should know about such dangerous assumptions by now. PS: The noose thing happened a year prior, the person beaten was not directly responsible, and nobody even mentioned the noose when discussing the specific incident of the beating Last edited by Kreugen : 09-20-2007 at 09:08 AM.

09-20-2007, 09:08 AM	#10 (permalink)
Braen Watches the Watchmen Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Dallas Posts: 3,960 +3 Internets	So because someone did something completely reprehensible (the noose thing), he deserves, in your opinon, not only to get beaten almost to death, but the beaters are to have NO CRIMINAL CHARGES brought against them whatsoever? Are you KIDDING ME?! That the ones that beat him almost to death just need to be kicked out of school?! People like you are the reason that these things happen, cause the people that do it know they can get whiney bitches to defend them and get them from accepting the responsibility of their actions. It doesn't matter if you think because the white guy was a douche and is a racist he "deserves" to be almost killed. We live ina society of laws and getting beaten almost to death is still against the law. I don't remember "Unless he deserves it for being a tool and/or douche" being in the penal codes __________________ Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn - In his house at R'lyeh dead Cthulhu waits dreaming "That is not dead which can Eternal lie, and with strange Eons even death may die" - H. P. Lovecraft Last edited by Braen : 09-20-2007 at 09:11 AM.

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09-20-2007, 08:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ashes Emberblade Better than You Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NOLA Posts: 1,436 -33 Internets	The attempted murder charges should stick. They continued beating him after he was unconscious. Under Louisiana law that's attempted murder.

09-20-2007, 08:58 AM	#3 (permalink)
Twobit Whore Insert Quarter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 9,070 -23 Internets	The MSN headline was 'Jena 6 protesters flood town' and I immediately thought they had torn down a dam or turned on some water hoses.. turns out it's just a bunch of people there. WTF are they protesting? How can anyone support the 'free the Jena 6' stance? They beat someone nearly to death. They deserve punishment to the fullest extent of the law. End of story,

09-20-2007, 08:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
pivot uhm hurr hick huh Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 153 -3 Internets	As long as Jesse Jackson is involved, it will probably be a case about racism. The hypocrisy involved in these black/white situations makes me sick to the stomach.

09-20-2007, 08:59 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sharmai "Change doesn't come from Washington, it comes to Washington." - Guess who Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,607	There is also the issue of the white kid coming out the of store with a shotgun and pointing it at the black kids and saying "your next". FYI that kid got a bond of $5,000.... the six black kids each got a bond of $125,000. Oh and the jury was all white.... I'm sure it is possible for an all white jury to be fair but on a issue that has high racial tensions as it is? oh.. boy.. Oh and it all started with hanging nooses on a tree. I don't know about all of you or how you all understand what the hanging noose means to the black community but its defintely no kind of joke at all. I wave off a lot of crap and most of its just bad humor but hanging noose are steping on gruonds I would fight on to. It is just bad period. Ya six on one is not fair but honestly he got off easy had that happened in say an inner city school where it would have been 200 on 1 with parents on them to. Unfair yes but everything about this case is unfair. For the record I think the 6 boys should get a week or so school supension like any normal school. crimnial charges? heck no...

09-20-2007, 09:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,746 +44 Internets	It would be ironic if this was the case that gets the Hate Crime designation repealed.

09-20-2007, 09:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
Sharmai "Change doesn't come from Washington, it comes to Washington." - Guess who Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,607	Supension at best. If it were all unprovoked and it was a straight gang beat up over some BS sure I would say criminal charges. But nooses. White kid pointing shotgun at black kids. School superintedent doing nothing about it... Thats nothing at all the be said about the atmosphere of the kids in the school at the time or what if anything else happened. (If any of you had been in a racial situation before you know theres always more shit on both sides of the equation) But man this kid, this school, this whole enviroment was pushing on racial edge lines that have and will taken centuries to heal. These things are sensitive. there are unwritten rules about this kind of shit. It's just known that your going to invoke a kind of inner rage in black people when you do this. Inciting violence gets violence. The kid lived through it though.

09-20-2007, 09:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
pivot uhm hurr hick huh Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 153 -3 Internets	This white kid deserved to get beaten if he actually hung the nooses. I'm surprised he wasn't killed to be honest. This reminds me of the ' "I hate niggers" sign in Harlem' scene from Die Hard with Avengence - like, who does that? Do you not expect to be killed? Louisiana doesn't strike me as an overly caucasian region. Plain stupidity. He should be called for inciting a riot or something to that nature. The six beaters deserve jailtime.